Marner and new PP alignment
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djdev
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inthe6ix
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still see either mitch/willy on pp1 and spezza on pp2 flying into the neutral zone taking a drop pass - guess it's here to stay lol
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I'm on board with taking and moving Marner off the right point and PP QB spot and into a different role.
Leafs PP had become so stale and predictable that is was easily defensible by the opposition.
Your specialty teams are very important to a teams overall success particularly come playoff team and apparently new assistant coaches have been making a positive impact on the changes.
Leafs PP had become so stale and predictable that is was easily defensible by the opposition.
Your specialty teams are very important to a teams overall success particularly come playoff team and apparently new assistant coaches have been making a positive impact on the changes.
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Exactly sire. This post had everythang it needed to have. Can't add nothing sire.
OUR POWEPLAY WILL CLAP BACK HARD!!!!!!!
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BeLeafing
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I'm interested to see how Marner does in his new position, but regardless it opens up what was needed most which was Nylander playing one of the sides.
He has one of the best shots on the team, and what the Leafs struggled with on the PP last year was that Marner was a complete non-threat from the wall as a shooter so it was easy to focus on Matthews and the other options since you knew a pass was coming.
Should make the unit overall less predictable. They need to stick with it for a prolonged period of time.
He has one of the best shots on the team, and what the Leafs struggled with on the PP last year was that Marner was a complete non-threat from the wall as a shooter so it was easy to focus on Matthews and the other options since you knew a pass was coming.
Should make the unit overall less predictable. They need to stick with it for a prolonged period of time.
inthe6ix
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Why not? His game seems perfectly suited for the spot. The only other spot I'd move him to is infront of the net where JT is and have them switch places, but that would not maximize best use of their talents.
Just a hunch. I think he may get frustrated by not having the puck as much.
But since I made that post, it looks as though there is a lot more movement on the PP so far, so that may not be the issue that I thought it would be.
djdev
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its fine to have in the aresnal, but it loses so much effectiveness when the PKing team knows you are gonna do it 100% of the time. like in the nba when you know a player cant hit an outside shot to save his life u just sit in the interior and wait for him because thats all hes got lol
our pp was lethal last year when he had possesion in the zone too because people were rotating and moving their feet, at the end they just stood around in their pre-planned positions waiting for the puck and it was crazy easy to cover.
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hamzarocks
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He's not the highest IQ player in the league that is just a teamate pumping his teammates tires
He probably is our highest IQ player but there are several guys who people would consider as having better IQ around the league
McDavid thinks the game at a different level than Mackinnon whose a tier and half above Marner as a player.
Both Mackinnon and McDavid have insane speed with McDavid having better physical traits but McDavid is easily the better player due to his hockey IQ being so ridicously high and his ability to break the game down despite how fast he plays.
Nothing surprising about what Tavares said. Marner's vision and hockey IQ is right up there with the best of the best. While McDavid does think the game very well, he separates himself from others more-so by combining it with his speed and his ability to handle the puck at that speed.
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Nylander Tavares Matthews
Marner
Rielly/Sandin/Muzzin
I'm comfortable with this to start. If it doesn't work, switch it up, that's all we can expect.
Marner
Rielly/Sandin/Muzzin
I'm comfortable with this to start. If it doesn't work, switch it up, that's all we can expect.
hamzarocks
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How does this demonstrate their hockey IQs?
Plus Mackinnon is better than Matthews whose clearly better than Marner.
Regular season
Mack last 3 years:
257 points in 196 games or a ppg of 1.31 good for 108 pts/82
Marner last 3 years:
228 points in 196 games or a ppg of
1.16 good for 95 pts/82 games
Hart wise Mack has come 6th, 2nd. 3rd while Marner has come unranked, unranked, 19th
We skipped 2017-2018 where Mackinnon was 2nd in hart while Marner wasn't a top 25 player in the league as well.
It's like comparing early 2010s Malkin with early 2010 Backstrom, if both players were fully healthy
Two completely different class of players simply looking at the regular season, bringing in playoff production would make marner look terrible.
zeke
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Even Strength last 3yrs
Matthews (23) 39gls/70pts pace
MacKinnon (25) 26gls/68pts pace
hamzarocks
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Lol is all there is to say. Matthews needs to learn how to play on the PP if he wants to be as good as Mackinnon. 108 pts/82 for Mack vs 95 pts/82 for Matthews
2nd, 6th, 2nd, 3rd in hart voting for Mack
Unranked, Unranked, 10th, 2nd in hart voting for Matthews
Mackinnon has been far better in 3 years while Matthews was better this year
Matthews needs another dominant season like this year to move pass Mackinnon whose been overall a top 5 player in the league since 2018 while matthews had his first year playing at that level.
Once again bringing in playoff production will make the leaf look terrible. Atleast with Mackinnon it applies to most players in the league as he's he's a top 2 playoff performer since 2018 along with Kucherov
If Marner and Mack have the same contract with the same term, I doubt any GMs will choose Marner over Mack.
Imagine Mack playing RW to AM.
Would be interesting to see if they use Mack as McD RW in TC.
Imagine Mack playing RW to AM.
Would be interesting to see if they use Mack as McD RW in TC.
zeke
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It's amazing what leading the league in PP time can do for a player.
hamzarocks
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Amazing what being an elite PP player can do for a players production
Mackinnon has sustained that year over year. Matthews+Marner have failed to do so
Hopefully this is the year. Until then, you'll be one of the few guys to take Matthews over Mackinnon while the majority of the hockey world will take the player with actual better results not a what if scenario, and greater accomplishments/accolades from an individual season perspective
