It was obvious back then that the Ontario Government was going to make it extremely difficult for the AHL (just like the OHL) to play. Surely Dubas knew that, as could be seen from his draft strategy in early October. It has been 334 days since Sandin has last played a game. 333 days since Liljegren last played a game. Both should have been loaned overseas for the season (which would not have been difficult to do with a season long commitment - as Detroit did with Seider). You, are free to believe that they will be just fine. Personally I believe that the Leafs' have significantly damaged their long-term development.
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It was obvious back then that the Ontario Government was going to make it extremely difficult for the AHL (just like the OHL) to play. Surely Dubas knew that, as could be seen from his draft strategy in early October. It has been 334 days since Sandin has last played a game. 333 days since Liljegren last played a game. Both should have been loaned overseas for the season (which would not have been difficult to do with a season long commitment - as Detroit did with Seider). You, are free to believe that they will be just fine. Personally I believe that the Leafs' have significantly damaged their long-term development.
There are lots of players who don't play for a while and turn out fine.
Secondly, there was only so many places they could've went and played. Dubas probably also only wanted them playing here, if it was possible.
I just think it's an unfair criticism is all.
Obviously not playing for 11+ months at 20/21 years of age is detrimental to their development. Both of them were in Sweden in the fall. Sandin could have probably easily played for HV71 where his brother was playing and both of the have played for Rogle before. The season will be over in a month or so - a bit longer if their team made the playoffs - and they could have played 50 games against high level competition whereas now there is a good probability that neither will have played at all by the time they would have been heading back over after the SHL season. It is completely fair criticism.
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TheGoldenJet
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Spot on. And besides the SHL, the NLA/KHL/Liiga were other options that often don’t require a full season commitment.
I think the leafs want them practicing with the big club and their future teammates. Liljegren and Sandin have mastered the lower pro levels so moving them to the SHL wouldn't accomplish anything and in fact just risk injury.
The only reason Sandin hasn't gotten into a game is because the leafs D has been remarkably healthy this season. With the Dermott injury I assume Sandin is #7 and Lilly is #8 on the depth chart.
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Its not like Sandin and Lilly are just sitting at home. They're practicing with an NHL squad on a daily basis with some world class players. They also have the luxury of working with world class development staff and skills coaches everyday and have more time to gain some muscle like many posters want. I like the idea of Sandin working with the staff and bettering his defensive play and can practice against the likes of Matthews and Marner.
Its not like 30 other teams aren't in the same positions with their prospects. I dont imagine teams in Sweden and Russia just happen to have room for 31 NHL teams prospects to come over and take their jobs.
BertCorbeau
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If Sandin/Lily were both overseas the Leafs D depth after Lehtonen would be Marincin and Rosen. Last year we saw both Rielly and Muzzin hurt, exposing depth issues.
It's tough not getting them into game action but they provide valuable depth in a strange season where if they were overseas it'd take them a few weeks to get into the lineup if there was an injury due to quarantine. Now imagine it's playoff time.
Hopefully the Marlies get going soon so they can get some games in.
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Wow just found out now. Congrats @Morgs on the 1st child. Best wishes to you guys.
One of the better prospects guys I have known here
One of the better prospects guys I have known here
BertCorbeau
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Rindell's now matched his production from last year (exactly the same in goals and assists) in 14 less games.
That's nice progress. He's a name I'm hearing more lately.
That's nice progress. He's a name I'm hearing more lately.
If they have mastered the lower pro levels then any NHL team that cares at all about their development makes room for them (see Colorado etc) rather than sitting them for 330+ days.
The Leafs' D has not been remarkably healthy. People only think that because of the large number of injuries last season. For instance in 2017/18 after Holl was brought up for two games to cover an injury to Polak, the Leafs' didn't have a single D injury for the rest of the season and playoffs. 36 games. They followed that up by playing the first 62 games of the next season with only 5 games lost to injury on D (Dermott missing 3 early in the season and Gardiner missing 2 towards the end of period). 5 games lost to injury on D over a 98 game span. 2016/17 also had few injuries for D. Covering for injuries is bad for development anyway, but Sandin requires not one injury, but two to get into the lineup. Liljegren, one would assume requires 3. The reality is that Sandin will probably get no more than a game or two and Liljegren none.
I am not going to bother wasting my time with people who think not playing is good for the development of 20/21 year old D - and incidentally Liljegren hasn't practiced with the NHL squad once since camp (January 11th).
Good GMs like Sakic and Yzerman have made sure their young D prospects were playing (whether it is in the NHL for Byram and Timmins with Sakic, or overseas for Seider and Lundstrom with Yzerman).
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We're not concerned with the opinion of Sabres fans on the Leafs board.
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Their playoffs start March 2nd, and I imagine his team is not going to be eliminated early.
He would be available for the NHL playoffs regardless of how his team does though.
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I cant see who you are quoting, likely for good reason, but in context of D development, Dahlin has been an absolute disappointment after being hailed as the McDavid of the backend. I dont think Buffalo, in any way, should be the standard to which we hold the Leafs to.
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Dahlin was talked about like he was the second coming of Paul Coffey. He hasn't come close to the expectations set out for him. I remember when Alex Nylander was the 'better' Nylander brother.
Buffalo is a laughing stock of an organization. They're going to miss the playoffs again and Eichel is going to leave. There is no need for the holier than thou Sabres fan to come into this thread and lecture about how the Leafs have 'failed' at developing their prospects.
We've developed 7th rounders like Engvall and Johnsson better than the Sabres have developed their lottery picks outside of Eichel.
Liljegren is preparing for the AHL season. North division seems like it'll be starting in the next couple of weeks.
Sandin is with the team. Getting used to the NHL lifestyle. With Dermott out for ??? Sandin will get in some games, and we can send him down to the Marlies if we need to as well to get him some games in there.
For D prospects, you need to be careful when sending them to bigger ice. It can mess with their gap control and timing with the puck.
We are 12 games into the season. If we were 30 games in and Sandin and Liljegren hadn't played, then I would have an issue. But both will be in action soon.
It's funny that poster comes to us, like we are the only team in this situation lmao. Every team has prospects who are still waiting to play. Only a small percentage of the AHL is running.
Sandin is with the team. Getting used to the NHL lifestyle. With Dermott out for ??? Sandin will get in some games, and we can send him down to the Marlies if we need to as well to get him some games in there.
For D prospects, you need to be careful when sending them to bigger ice. It can mess with their gap control and timing with the puck.
We are 12 games into the season. If we were 30 games in and Sandin and Liljegren hadn't played, then I would have an issue. But both will be in action soon.
It's funny that poster comes to us, like we are the only team in this situation lmao. Every team has prospects who are still waiting to play. Only a small percentage of the AHL is running.
LeafChief
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Amirov seems to be getting hot. Likely another year in the KHL is best for him unless they plan to feed him top 6 minutes on the Marlies.
I don't think it's appropriate to discuss your personal judgments about a particular Leafs prospect. They're all good looking lads.
LeafChief
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Good point. I retract.I don't think it's appropriate to discuss your personal judgments about a particular Leafs prospect. They're all good looking lads.
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