Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[horner]

I guess they all allegedly have another year of eligibility is the most.... stupid but understandable reason? It's always been a 19 year old tournament so there will be 2023's (2005 birth year) more prevalent on teams like Canada than the 2024 or 2025 draftees.

They are players that team that haven't been drafted , there are players that team that D+1.
Maybe they say something in there game that they don't like ?

If that is the reason, still stupid. Invite them to camp, then make cuts. That is how it should be done. Pick the best team possible.

Hockey Canada over thinking thing again.

 

[Leafs1991]

Couldn't agree more. Some real head scratchers but I wont be able to sit and pretend to have watched all those players so, if they win gold will anyone complain?

Of course not but they have question marks every year, even more so on the years they don't win.

 

[Budz]

Cowan 2 assists tonight.
Ties the record

 

[Stringer Bell]

Would any of our prospects in the NCAA be considered remotely interesting at this point?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Would any of our prospects in the NCAA be considered remotely interesting at this point?

Is there some reason to be concerned?

We have a dman that has 7 points in 8 games and a few other randoms doing reasonable but nothing spectacular for sure.

Have we spent any high end draft picks on anyone from College since Knies? I dont recall but he certainly was an amazing pick.

 

[AlienWorkShop]

Doing some boxscore scouring of our NCAAers (so I welcome corrections/comments from anyone actually watching them!)

I've been curious about Miller. Didn't improve points/game-wise last year, but need to account for Harvard's awfulness. He led with 27 points in 32 games on a team that managed only 2.2 goals/game. Only two teammates had 0.5+ points/game and Miller factored in 38.5% of their goals. In contrast, Harvard were stacked in his rookie year, scoring 3.7 per game and Miller factored in 22.4%. He's had an okay start this year with 7 points in 8. Harvard are still kinda bad, but not as awful. I also recall Kloke reporting that Miller impressed Treliving in camp last year. So, wouldn't write him off just yet, if certainly a long shot.

Moldenhauer perhaps the most disappointing as a 3rd rounder stuck on 0.5 points/game. Was willing to give him some slack last year as a freshman on a stacked Michigan team - 21 points in 41 games isn't too bad - but, glancing at his ice-time, he's still only getting 2nd-3rd line minutes, and he's a bit old for a sophomore, turning 21 in March. Wouldn't write him off yet as he was always supposed to be a late bloomer and he's certainly in a good program.

Molinoski with a slight step up in production this year and doing relatively ok for a 5th rounder. Would hope he can jump to a point per game by next year.

Koster's managed a decent NCAA career, but probably a write-off as an over-ager, who seems to only be on Minnesota's 2nd-pairing. Presumably would've tried to bring him in this year if we had any interest.

Fusco's actually had decent production the last few years, but don't hear much about him and he's old for a senior.

Schingoethe still only a bit part player in his senior year...

So, maybe no NHLers in the end, but most were late round picks anyway.

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Our 2020 draft looks bad with no NHL games yet, but it's odd that you can't yet entirely write it off four years later. Amirov tragedy is an obvious asterisk. Can probably write off all of Ovchinnikov, Miettinen (not doing much in Liiga), Rindell, Fusco, and Schingoethe, but Hirvonen and Niemela are still at least maybes. Akhtyamov having an awesome start in the AHL. Don't hear much about Villeneuve, but he's still plugging away with the Marlies. Miller's still a long shot. Tverberg a maybe and has at least overachieved as a 7th rounder.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Doing some boxscore scouring of our NCAAers (so I welcome corrections/comments from anyone actually watching them!)

I've been curious about Miller. Didn't improve his points/game-wise last year, but need to account for Harvard's awfulness. He led with 27 points in 32 games on a team that managed only 2.2 goals/game. Only two teammates had 0.5+ points/game and Miller factored in 38.5% of their goals. In contrast, Harvard were stacked in his rookie year, scoring 3.7 per game and Miller factored in 22.4%. He's had an okay start this year with 7 points in 8. Harvard are still kinda bad, but not as awful. I also recall Kloke reporting that Miller impressed Treliving in camp last year. So, wouldn't write him off just yet, if certainly a long shot.

Moldenhauer perhaps the most disappointing as a 3rd rounder stuck on 0.5 points/game. Was willing to give him some slack last year as a freshman on a stacked Michigan team - 21 points in 41 games isn't too bad - but, glancing at his ice-time, he's still only getting 2nd-3rd line minutes, and he's a bit old for a sophomore, turning 21 in March. Wouldn't write him off yet as he was always supposed to be a late bloomer and he's certainly in a good program.

Molinoski with a slight step up in production this year and doing relatively ok for a 5th rounder. Would hope he can jump to a point per game by next year.

Koster's managed a decent NCAA career, but probably a write-off as an over-ager, who seems to only be on Minnesota's 2nd-pairing. Presumably would've tried to bring him in this year if we had any interest.

Fusco's actually had decent production the last few years, but don't hear much about him and he's old for a senior.

Schingoethe still only a bit part player in his senior year...

So, maybe no NHLers in the end, but most were late round picks anyway.

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Our 2020 draft looks bad with no NHL games yet, but it's odd that you can't yet entirely write it off four years later. Amirov tragedy is an obvious asterisk. Can probably write off all of Ovchinnikov, Miettinen (not doing much in Liiga), Rindell, Fusco, and Schingoethe, but Hirvonen and Niemela are still at least maybes. Akhtyamov having an awesome start in the AHL. Don't hear much about Villeneuve, but he's still plugging away with the Marlies. Miller's still a long shot. Tverberg a maybe and has at least overachieved as a 7th rounder.

I'd love for Moldenhauer to make it simply for the selfish reason that his family lives at the end of my street! It would be cool to have an NHLer living on my street in the summer.

That family loves Michigan State. Stickers on all of their cars and a big Michigan flag in the backyard (you can see his backyard clearly when walking on the trail behind his home leading to Clarkson road).

 

[1specter]

Doing some boxscore scouring of our NCAAers (so I welcome corrections/comments from anyone actually watching them!)

I've been curious about Miller. Didn't improve his points/game-wise last year, but need to account for Harvard's awfulness. He led with 27 points in 32 games on a team that managed only 2.2 goals/game. Only two teammates had 0.5+ points/game and Miller factored in 38.5% of their goals. In contrast, Harvard were stacked in his rookie year, scoring 3.7 per game and Miller factored in 22.4%. He's had an okay start this year with 7 points in 8. Harvard are still kinda bad, but not as awful. I also recall Kloke reporting that Miller impressed Treliving in camp last year. So, wouldn't write him off just yet, if certainly a long shot.

Moldenhauer perhaps the most disappointing as a 3rd rounder stuck on 0.5 points/game. Was willing to give him some slack last year as a freshman on a stacked Michigan team - 21 points in 41 games isn't too bad - but, glancing at his ice-time, he's still only getting 2nd-3rd line minutes, and he's a bit old for a sophomore, turning 21 in March. Wouldn't write him off yet as he was always supposed to be a late bloomer and he's certainly in a good program.

Molinoski with a slight step up in production this year and doing relatively ok for a 5th rounder. Would hope he can jump to a point per game by next year.

Koster's managed a decent NCAA career, but probably a write-off as an over-ager, who seems to only be on Minnesota's 2nd-pairing. Presumably would've tried to bring him in this year if we had any interest.

Fusco's actually had decent production the last few years, but don't hear much about him and he's old for a senior.

Schingoethe still only a bit part player in his senior year...

So, maybe no NHLers in the end, but most were late round picks anyway.

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Our 2020 draft looks bad with no NHL games yet, but it's odd that you can't yet entirely write it off four years later. Amirov tragedy is an obvious asterisk. Can probably write off all of Ovchinnikov, Miettinen (not doing much in Liiga), Rindell, Fusco, and Schingoethe, but Hirvonen and Niemela are still at least maybes. Akhtyamov having an awesome start in the AHL. Don't hear much about Villeneuve, but he's still plugging away with the Marlies. Miller's still a long shot. Tverberg a maybe and has at least overachieved as a 7th rounder.

That draft seemed promising initially but has turned into a disappointment mostly. Similar to the drafts they had in 2015/2016 where they had a ton of picks and most of them amounted to nothing outside of the obvious lottery selections in Matthews and Marner. They at least got Woll from the 2016 crop, so there's that. It sucks because you need the pipeline to replenish and fill up the depth spots of the roster while keeping the team young as the core ages and we keep having cap casualties, but we haven't had any of that at all until very recently. The drafting took a big turn when Wes Clark took over so hopefully they keep that up.

I guess if Niemela, Hirvonen, AA and maybe Tverberg can at least be some form of NHLers then it's a salvageable draft. Villeneuve has shown some promise as well but seems to be off to a rough start this year and has been injured.

 

[SprDaVE]

Moldenhauer was a nice long-term project gamble. I'm not sure he's trending well but still a couple years to determine that. I think Malinoski has been doing well and he's also quite a few years away anyway.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Moldenhauer was a nice long-term project gamble. I'm not sure he's trending well but still a couple years to determine that. I think Malinoski has been doing well and he's also quite a few years away anyway.

He's got that Bobby McMann projection..... in 6 years everyones gonna love him

 

[WTFMAN99]

Do you think a team like Pittsburgh would give a 4th for Moldenhauer's rights? That duo picked him...maybe they like him more than we do.

 

[Budz]

Cowan scores!!!!

Record.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[ULF_55]

Screw the "official" crowd.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

 

[Larcos_Unal]

 

[Kiwi]

Damn, you don't normally see two open ice hits like that in one game
Boys weren't screwing around

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Hopefully Cowan's okay and the guy who hit him thinks about maybe tightening the straps on his helmet instead of using it like a skullcap.

 

[Legion34]

Is there any footage of after? Did Cowan get up and skate off?

 

[LeafSteel]

Was Cowan alright?

 

[ULF_55]

Is there any footage of after? Did Cowan get up and skate off?

Leafs prospect Cowan exits with injury after setting unofficial OHL point-streak record

Easton Cowan can go to Ottawa for Canadian junior selection camp next week knowing he has entered uncharted territory.

www.sportsnet.ca

Knights GM Mark Hunter told the London Free Press that Cowan was "feeling pretty good" after the game and that he didn't expect the injury to keep him out of Canadian junior selection camp next week in Ottawa. Hunter did say the team will have to take another look at Cowan on Saturday morning.
Cowan is a virtual lock to play in the world juniors if healthy, meaning he wouldn't play another game for the Knights until the new year.
Because Cowan's streak spans two seasons, it does not put him in the official record book. Former Leafs star Doug Gilmour recorded a point 55 games in a row with the Cornwall Royals way back in 1982-83.
Gilmour congratulated Cowan on the new mark.

 

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[AlienWorkShop]

That draft seemed promising initially but has turned into a disappointment mostly. Similar to the drafts they had in 2015/2016 where they had a ton of picks and most of them amounted to nothing outside of the obvious lottery selections in Matthews and Marner. They at least got Woll from the 2016 crop, so there's that. It sucks because you need the pipeline to replenish and fill up the depth spots of the roster while keeping the team young as the core ages and we keep having cap casualties, but we haven't had any of that at all until very recently. The drafting took a big turn when Wes Clark took over so hopefully they keep that up.

I guess if Niemela, Hirvonen, AA and maybe Tverberg can at least be some form of NHLers then it's a salvageable draft. Villeneuve has shown some promise as well but seems to be off to a rough start this year and has been injured.

Oh sure definitely a disappointment so far (and in all likelihood). And, again, need to factor in the Amirov tragedy... (amazing in retrospect we got that 1st rounder for Kapanen). Just funny to me that there's still reason to not yet entirely write it off even four years later due to potential late bloomers.

Agreed that we probably need one of Niemela (who took some time coming over and is doing fine in the AHL, even if potentially not a fit under the new regime) or Hirvonen (also took his time coming over and last year became a write-off due to the concussion and eye injury. Seems to have slowed down after a good start) to make it in some capacity, AA turning into some sort of NHL goalie, who knows about Villeneuve (2 A yesterday!), and maybe Tverberg can become a 3rd-4th line type for it to be considered a decent draft, all considered (and still lighting a candle for Miller, damnit!)

Even if they don't become 'great' NHLers, always helps to have a few youngsters on ELCs to improve the cap situation for the big guns.

Perhaps the sheer number of picks adds to the disappointment, but one extra fourth roudner and four extra 6-7 rounders ultimately isn't going to add that much expected draft value.

 

[Skullz]

What are people who consistently watch the Marlies thoughts on Niemala and Hirvonen?

Is there a future there with either of them?

 

[Fogelhund]

What are people who consistently watch the Marlies thoughts on Niemala and Hirvonen?

Is there a future there with either of them?

Niemela might have a NHL future, but I doubt it's on a Treliving/Bertube team. Hirvonen likely ends up back in Europe at some point.... He's a RFA, so they might extend him as Marlies depth, and just in case he suddenly finds enough game to be a NHL player... but I doubt that happens.