Prospect Info: Marlies, Cyclones, and Prospect Discussion

No rational person would expect someone thrown in with 4th liners is going to produce. He hasn’t really ever been given the opportunity to play with offensive players.
I haven’t seen anything particularly good in 11 nhl games and numerous training camps. Not surprised that up to this point he hasn’t been given more opportunity. With his current AHL performance though he is definitely pounding on the door and really should get a chance. The Eastern Conference is a bloodbath atm so not surprised that teams are being cautious with their moves.
 
I'd be surprised if he didn't have better goal totals than Robertson with the same opportunity

He's never had anybody to play with, he's a goal scoring winger so he needs a playmaking center or wing on his line to help him produce

He's a good player but he's not good enough to provide for himself

Yep, Leafs have 2 centers and a rotating audition for 2 other center spots.

Steeves might do well with a real center in the NHL.
 
Yep, Leafs have 2 centers and a rotating audition for 2 other center spots.

Steeves might do well with a real center in the NHL.

Even just give him a wing he can work with

I'd like to know what he is before he leaves the organization, he's played on the 4th line but those guys aren't going to help him create offensively
 
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No rational person would expect someone thrown in with 4th liners is going to produce. He hasn’t really ever been given the opportunity to play with offensive players.
Less than 8:00 a night for his first 6 games is not an actual look. 10:14 last year but for only 1 game. I don't recall those games but they had other more high profile wingers and they might not have liked his pace or they simply didn't have a need for where he might fit.

This season 4 x 11:01 though which is a look. Not an actual chance which is what he needs now. 11 hits in 44 minutes so he is trying to make a difference. Hyman got over 16:00 a night for his first 13 games in 16-17 and had 1 assist. Not saying they need to give Steeves that much but most players need a bit of time. Why let him leave the organization without ever seeing what he might do? How much worse than 2019 Mason Marchment can he be?
 
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Marlies drop 2 in a row to Laval, Grebenkin and Minten out of the line up for both games, there is speculation that they are being held out of the lineup for a trade. I would hate to lose both players.
 
Marlies drop 2 in a row to Laval, Grebenkin and Minten out of the line up for both games, there is speculation that they are being held out of the lineup for a trade. I would hate to lose both players.
Laval is the best team in the A this season and it showed. At least the Marlies battled today and got a point out of it. The game I attended last night was just sad to watch. Laval completely dominated the first half of the game, Steeves was really the only guy who had any skills in the lineup.
 
Marlies drop 2 in a row to Laval, Grebenkin and Minten out of the line up for both games, there is speculation that they are being held out of the lineup for a trade. I would hate to lose both players.
Gotta give to get. I think it makes sense if they are smart about it. I like Greb but he's got a lot of work to do in terms of compete and when he doesn't have the puck. Sometimes he's a problem in his own zone.
 
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I haven’t seen anything particularly good in 11 nhl games and numerous training camps. Not surprised that up to this point he hasn’t been given more opportunity. With his current AHL performance though he is definitely pounding on the door and really should get a chance. The Eastern Conference is a bloodbath atm so not surprised that teams are being cautious with their moves.
You expected to see anything good out of someone who has played with Dewar, Lorentz, Kampf, Holmberg, Reaves, over the last two years? Offensive players, aren't going to excel playing with such players.. that's why I said no rational person would judge based on such linemates.

As far as training camps, he has seven points, in six pre-season games over the last three years. What would have impressed you? Two points per game?
 
You expected to see anything good out of someone who has played with Dewar, Lorentz, Kampf, Holmberg, Reaves, over the last two years? Offensive players, aren't going to excel playing with such players.. that's why I said no rational person would judge based on such linemates.

As far as training camps, he has seven points, in six pre-season games over the last three years. What would have impressed you? Two points per game?
Oh okay, I didn’t realize that he did so well in preseason. I certainly stand corrected there.
 
I'm curious to see what will happen as far as secondary type deals...Hirvonen and Niemela are 2 guys I feel like management might want to swap out.
 
I'm curious to see what will happen as far as secondary type deals...Hirvonen and Niemela are 2 guys I feel like management might want to swap out.
Let them walk if they want.

If they're happy not getting a Berube chance of seeing the NHL ice let them decide.

They are meaningless to the NHL team if they are not in the plans.
 
Let them walk if they want.

If they're happy not getting a Berube chance of seeing the NHL ice let them decide.

They are meaningless to the NHL team if they are not in the plans.

It is more wondering if there is scenario out there like ours where a regime may not care for some of their prospects that our management group would be interested in.
 
I'm curious to see what will happen as far as secondary type deals...Hirvonen and Niemela are 2 guys I feel like management might want to swap out.

I think they'd dump Niemela pretty quickly for any asset at this point. From what I recall, they really are disappointed with his lack of off season work ethic, and doing what he needs to for progress.

Hirvonen I'm not sure about. I believe his work ethic, working on his skating has impressed, even if he isn't putting up points. I think it was Wickenheiser who said he'd be a NHL player. Gruden thinks he's a guy who can be a bottom six player, maybe getting a callup in 25/26. Given we have player control, and he's a RFA, I think he'll be kept, just to see if he can contribute one day.
 
I think they'd dump Niemela pretty quickly for any asset at this point. From what I recall, they really are disappointed with his lack of off season work ethic, and doing what he needs to for progress.

Hirvonen I'm not sure about. I believe his work ethic, working on his skating has impressed, even if he isn't putting up points. I think it was Wickenheiser who said he'd be a NHL player. Gruden thinks he's a guy who can be a bottom six player, maybe getting a callup in 25/26. Given we have player control, and he's a RFA, I think he'll be kept, just to see if he can contribute one day.

Hirvonen doesn't strike me as a the typical Berube/Tree kind of player, exceptions exist like Mangipane but he was producing.

It is a good point on your point, less than a month out now and this 4 nation's tournament will eat up some time off the clock.
 
You expected to see anything good out of someone who has played with Dewar, Lorentz, Kampf, Holmberg, Reaves, over the last two years? Offensive players, aren't going to excel playing with such players.. that's why I said no rational person would judge based on such linemates.

As far as training camps, he has seven points, in six pre-season games over the last three years. What would have impressed you? Two points per game?
exactly trade a couple of these guys out for a centermen then call sleeves up I've noticed his improvement over the years he went from being unplayable to being solid on the fourth line he wasn't lighting it up like bobby Mcmann was but then again it took the game he was supposed to be scratched in to force the coach to keep him in the line up we see that Mcmann Ahl scoring translated to the nhl is it out of the realm of possibility that steeves can provide an upgrade in the secondary scoring department I'm sure if he played the whole year he'd probably be our 7th leading goal scorer
 
Development is different than drafting

SDA, Abramov, Abruzzese, Hirvonen, Ovchinnikov, Tverberg
McGregor, Stotts, Miller

We drafted Cs. Some complete pipe dream projects, some players with NHL upside.
Not one of them stuck with us in the 5-8 years since.


(And will concede, the highest of that group was Hirvonen in the second round. No firsts spent on a C prospect.)
Why are you surprised? Look at how many picks they wasted. We may have 7 NHL players , many of whom will be depth with minimal impact. People will realize by next year the impact it has when you don't have young cheap replacements as guys start to fade. You end up overpaying Tavares when it's time to walk away.
 

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