Prospect Info: Marlies, Cyclones, and Prospect Discussion

[The Shadow]

Well, he ranked this group 13th:

Wheeler’s 2021 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 13 Toronto Maple Leafs

Why were the Maple Leafs 13th in Scott Wheeler's prospect pool rankings? Who is Toronto's top prospect?

www.nytimes.com

So a whole bunch of junk basically. No top end talent. However I do think Minten will be a Stajan type and have a 10 year + career

 

[daethfromabove1979]

The Athletic (Scott Wheeler) ranks the Leafs prospect pool 28th in his latest rankings.

1. Cowan (projects as a top 9 forward)
2. Minten (projects as a 4th line C)
3. Danford (projects as a 3rd pair dman)
4. Akhtyamov (solid NHL goalie)
5. Hildeby (possible #2 or good organizational depth goalie)
6. Grebenkin (bottom 6 winger)
7. Niemela (5-8 D somewhere else)
8. Chadwick (7-8 D with possible upside)
9. Holinka (might play some NHL games)
10. Villeneuve (possible call up option one day)
11. Tverberg
12. Quillan
13. Johansson
14. Moldenhauer
15. Miller

I'm impressed they weren't ranked dead last, that is a sad list of prospects. Very few of them are progressing this season too.

 

[4thline]

The Athletic (Scott Wheeler) ranks the Leafs prospect pool 28th in his latest rankings.

1. Cowan (projects as a top 9 forward)
2. Minten (projects as a 4th line C)
3. Danford (projects as a 3rd pair dman)

Acknowledging that any prospect can completely bust and flame out, those are fine conservative projections. Safe bets. But that doesn't cover their upside. I don't know if Wheeler explicitly caps them them at his projections, but from his track record sticking his neck out on guys like Minten/Danford having innate traits and tools that make it so no one should be surprised if Minten turns into a shutdown 2/3C and Danford into solid mid pair DFD regardless of their junior production isn't in the cards.

Sure, project them as a 3W, 4C, 5-6RD. But don't value them as if that's the max.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Our pipeline is pretty bad if those projections stick.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Acknowledging that any prospect can completely bust and flame out, those are fine conservative projections. Safe bets. But that doesn't cover their upside. I don't know if Wheeler explicitly caps them them at his projections, but from his track record sticking his neck out on guys like Minten/Danford having innate traits and tools that make it so no one should be surprised if Minten turns into a shutdown 2/3C and Danford into solid mid pair DFD regardless of their junior production isn't in the cards.

Sure, project them as a 3W, 4C, 5-6RD. But don't value them as if that's the max.

There is probably a range....

Minten can probably break in next year at 4C...and I see 3C upside

Cowan I am thinking middle 6 forward

Danford I can see on a 2nd pair #4 type defensive defenseman but he plays a real nasty style of hockey so if he's a physical defensively capable 3rd pairing guy like a Scott Mayfield, that is useful.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Cap'n Flavour]

Acknowledging that any prospect can completely bust and flame out, those are fine conservative projections. Safe bets. But that doesn't cover their upside. I don't know if Wheeler explicitly caps them them at his projections, but from his track record sticking his neck out on guys like Minten/Danford having innate traits and tools that make it so no one should be surprised if Minten turns into a shutdown 2/3C and Danford into solid mid pair DFD regardless of their junior production isn't in the cards.

Sure, project them as a 3W, 4C, 5-6RD. But don't value them as if that's the max.

A late 1st has like a 40-45% chance of playing 100+ games and there's nothing so far to suggest that Danford was a particularly good pick at #31 so projecting him as a 3rd pairing D is generous, not conservative.

 

[4thline]

A late 1st has like a 40-45% chance of playing 100+ games and there's nothing so far to suggest that Danford was a particularly good pick at #31 so projecting him as a 3rd pairing D is generous, not conservative.

First line of the post- "Acknowledging that any prospect can completely bust and flame out"

It goes without saying that for all but the top handful of prospects league wide the raw probabilities say that any "projection" higher than outright bust to depth-fringe NHLer is betting against the odds. Any and all discussion of upside beyond that is reading very fine lines, and under the mutual understanding that you're talking about what it's reasonable to expect them to turn into IF they beat the odds and turn into anything at all.

The fact is that that you don't draft a Danford at 31 because you think the upside is a right handed Benoit. You do it because the upside is Carlo/Cernak/Lindgren/Middleton/Manson, Vlasic (Chicago) ,Dillon, Edmunson. The kid was voted by coaches to be best defensive defenseman in the OHL eastern conference as a 17 year old, while also placing top 3 in shot blocking and hardest worker. He's got NHL size. Scouts see the skating and tools that gives them hope of it translating. The Wheeler's of the world see the lack of production and offensive upside and so lazily cap ALL upside

So yes. It is fair to project him as a 3rd pair defenseman. No one should be disappointed with that result. But it's not an absolute, everything goes right best case scenario- there is legitimate reason to hope for more and value him higher. Minten is in the same boat.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Why you should be keeping an eye on Leafs prospect Chas Sharpe

Like a lot of contending teams, the Toronto Maple Leafs' prospect pool...

theleafsnation.com

• 6’3” and 201 pound RHD
• 21 years old and in his rookie season with the Cyclones
• Currently leads all ECHL defencemen in goals with 12
• Second on his team in scoring
• Excellent puck mover, wicked shot
• Takes pride in 200 foot game

 

[AuraSphere]

Minten is no less than a 3C already - calling him a 4C peak is wild

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Minten is no less than a 3C already - calling him a 4C peak is wild

Minten, right now, has better offensive tools than Kampf. It's a matter of rounding out the game and upping his footspeed

 

[ULF_55]

First line of the post- "Acknowledging that any prospect can completely bust and flame out"

It goes without saying that for all but the top handful of prospects league wide the raw probabilities say that ...
...
So yes. It is fair to project him as a 3rd pair defenseman. No one should be disappointed with that result. But it's not an absolute, everything goes right best case scenario- there is legitimate reason to hope for more and value him higher. Minten is in the same boat.

Yes.

Should add that any prospect can far exceed draft position,
I bet every team has busts and excels in their history.

However, in keeping with the sky is falling, everything is negative, and I'm not sticking my neck out at all, so I'll under-rate everyone ...

Don't mourn until one has to.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

 

[aingefan]

Could be a gem.
Cyclones have been real good since Braeden Kressler arrived.
Wednesday the Cyclones won again, Sharpe scored, Kressler with one assist, Voit back in the lineup with two.
6-1 win on today, Sharpe had 2 goals, Voit had two assists, other Marlies signees produced: Frasca 1g/1a, Bengston and McCleary with 1a.

 

[aingefan]

Marlies in charge tonight.
Matt Murray with a shutout. Jacob Quillan with a goal (shorty) and assist, Tverberg had an empty netter for his first point of the month, and Matt Barbollini had the other goal. Matt Benning, Zack Solow and Mastrosimone had apples rounding out the scoring.
Solow also got in the first Marlies tilt of the year, holding his own.
Grebs looked pretty good.

 

[Apex Predator]

Why you should be keeping an eye on Leafs prospect Chas Sharpe

Like a lot of contending teams, the Toronto Maple Leafs' prospect pool...

theleafsnation.com

• 6’3” and 201 pound RHD
• 21 years old and in his rookie season with the Cyclones
• Currently leads all ECHL defencemen in goals with 12
• Second on his team in scoring
• Excellent puck mover, wicked shot
• Takes pride in 200 foot game

That means the Leafs will instead be prioritizing long-term projects to work their way up through the organization and, ideally, onto the NHL roster. It has proven to be a useful avenue as they have had success stories in Justin Holl, Trevor Moore, Bobby McMann, and Marshall Rifai.

jumping the gun a bit by calling him a success story? He hasnt’t established anything in the NHL.

 

[horner]

Could be a gem.
Cyclones have been real good since Braeden Kressler arrived.
Wednesday the Cyclones won again, Sharpe scored, Kressler with one assist, Voit back in the lineup with two.
6-1 win on today, Sharpe had 2 goals, Voit had two assists, other Marlies signees produced: Frasca 1g/1a, Bengston and McCleary with 1a.

How is his defensive game skating because we need his shot from the point .
Looks like he has a bomb from the point

 

[Anthrax442]

Just sign him for the name Chas

 

[ULF_55]

Marlies in charge tonight.
Matt Murray with a shutout. Jacob Quillan with a goal (shorty) and assist, Tverberg had an empty netter for his first point of the month, and Matt Barbollini had the other goal. Matt Benning, Zack Solow and Mastrosimone had apples rounding out the scoring.
Solow also got in the first Marlies tilt of the year, holding his own.
Grebs looked pretty good.

So what exactly is Matt Benning doing?
I mean is he playing well?
Should he be a recall option?
Do they care if he's claimed off waivers?

 

[horner]

Ben Danford
Oshawa is playing against Brantford at 4 pm today
if you are a Rogers customer it is on channel 630 in the London area.
Watching a replay from last night's game
I like his game skate really well dosnt seem to make any mistake in the game so far.
Tanev type of player with more but bite.

 

[aingefan]

How is his defensive game skating because we need his shot from the point .
Looks like he has a bomb from the point

I haven’t watched much of the Cyclones other than their box scores, any really comment.

 

[aingefan]

So what exactly is Matt Benning doing?
I mean is he playing well?
Should he be a recall option?
Do they care if he's claimed off waivers?

Benning is playing well at that level, as you imagine he should given his experience. Poised, good positioning, gets his shots through. He’s not particularly quick tho.
I don’t think he’d be much better than Myers or Timmins, his speed might get exposed. If they wanted to mix it up, maybe if someone got hurt, he could be next up…
I imagine the team would be fine were he claimed on waivers, since they’d be free of his commitment for next year, but I don’t think there’s any rush (it’s only a tiny penalty this year and next).

 

[LeafChief]

It's hilarious how many people instantly become geniuses with hindsight.

 

[WTFMAN99]

First line of the post- "Acknowledging that any prospect can completely bust and flame out"

It goes without saying that for all but the top handful of prospects league wide the raw probabilities say that any "projection" higher than outright bust to depth-fringe NHLer is betting against the odds. Any and all discussion of upside beyond that is reading very fine lines, and under the mutual understanding that you're talking about what it's reasonable to expect them to turn into IF they beat the odds and turn into anything at all.

The fact is that that you don't draft a Danford at 31 because you think the upside is a right handed Benoit. You do it because the upside is Carlo/Cernak/Lindgren/Middleton/Manson, Vlasic (Chicago) ,Dillon, Edmunson. The kid was voted by coaches to be best defensive defenseman in the OHL eastern conference as a 17 year old, while also placing top 3 in shot blocking and hardest worker. He's got NHL size. Scouts see the skating and tools that gives them hope of it translating. The Wheeler's of the world see the lack of production and offensive upside and so lazily cap ALL upside

So yes. It is fair to project him as a 3rd pair defenseman. No one should be disappointed with that result. But it's not an absolute, everything goes right best case scenario- there is legitimate reason to hope for more and value him higher. Minten is in the same boat.

It feels like if it works out with Danford, you have maybe Matt Roy.

If he doesn't reach tip top potential, maybe you have Scott Mayfield

He might bust, who knows?