Prospect Info: Marlies, Cyclones, and Prospect Discussion

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Drives me nuts when good, young prospects put in work and then have their development stalled and value tanked due to GM biases.
Guy has 1 good season and then can't repeat it and you blame the GM. lol never change. Guy did the same in the Finnish league where he put up 32 points in 48 games and then followed that up with 18 in 52 the following season. Was that also GM biases?
 
Guy has 1 good season and then can't repeat it and you blame the GM. lol never change. Guy did the same in the Finnish league where he put up 32 points in 48 games and then followed that up with 18 in 52 the following season. Was that also GM biases?
I don't blame the GM for Niemela not repeating his offensive season. An early 20s defensive prospect having fluctuations in his offensive production is not abnormal, and he rebounded last time.

I do blame the GM for burying him, barely giving him a chance even in preseason, and seemingly writing him off at 22 for no reason.
 
I don't blame the GM for Niemela not repeating his offensive season. An early 20s defensive prospect having fluctuations in his offensive production is not abnormal, and he rebounded last time.

I do blame the GM for burying him, barely giving him a chance even in preseason, and seemingly writing him off at 22 for no reason.

Hard to argue he's had a good GM in Canada.

Player, GM1, GM2 have nothing to brag about.
 
I don't blame the GM for Niemela not repeating his offensive season. An early 20s defensive prospect having fluctuations in his offensive production is not abnormal, and he rebounded last time.

I do blame the GM for burying him, barely giving him a chance even in preseason, and seemingly writing him off at 22 for no reason.
Villeneuve never got into the pre season either I believe and he has just outplayed Niemela on the Marlies. Only person holding Niemela back is himself. He's a small defender who doesn't have the skating ability to make up for that. Needs to get stronger and he hasn't done that either. They've made it clear what he needs to do and that's on him if he wants to or not, not the GM.
 
Villeneuve never got into the pre season either I believe and he has just outplayed Niemela on the Marlies. Only person holding Niemela back is himself.
Doing something stupid more than once doesn't make it not stupid, and if anything, also doing it to Villeneuve reinforces that it's about GM bias, not anything Niemela did or didn't do. He's done more than enough to be treated better than he has.

But I'm sure there's no reason that a bad defensive team with the worst defenseman scoring in the league and transition struggles, that has been playing three struggling #7s for a large portion of the season, could benefit from a better look at their two best producing defensive prospects in the AHL.
 
Topi was basically called out by Haley saying he needed to work on his strength and size.

That was his knock when he came over. And that still seems to be the case.
Drinking protein shakes and pounding the gym isn’t for everyone. The hockey part is just one piece.

Look at what Knies did to make himself a power winger over one off season.
The same 20 lbs of muscle on Topi would have him knocking at the door to get minutes for the Leafs.
 
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Doing something stupid more than once doesn't make it not stupid, and if anything, also doing it to Villeneuve reinforces that it's about GM bias, not anything Niemela did or didn't do. He's done more than enough to be treated better than he has.

But I'm sure there's no reason that a bad defensive team with the worst defenseman scoring in the league and transition struggles, that has been playing three struggling #7s for a large portion of the season, could benefit from a better look at their two best producing defensive prospects in the AHL.

Why does Niemela deserve a shot? If he's so special wouldn't he be destroying the AHL right now? Liljegren couldn't even get on the ice this year. Don't blame management, he's just not that good.
 
Why does Niemela deserve a shot? If he's so special wouldn't he be destroying the AHL right now? Liljegren couldn't even get on the ice this year. Don't blame management, he's just not that good.
It's odd that people have suddenly switched to the idea that he sucks. He's been one of our top defensive prospects; a right handed shot that did well in Sweden and the world juniors, put up 5 points in 7 games in his first AHL playoffs, and then led our AHL defense in scoring as a rookie last year. Even this year, he's second. You shouldn't throw away every 22 year old defenseman that isn't "destroying the AHL".

I'm not sure what people think Benoit, Lagesson, Lajoie, Myers, Rifai, etc. did to earn NHL games, or why they plus Kokkonen, Mattinen, Webber, Mermis, etc. earned more preseason opportunity. I gave you some reasons why we could use somebody with his skills, but this isn't even about giving him an NHL roster spot yet. This is about not throwing him away, just because he's not the size of a truck.

How Liljegren was handled this year was a whole other failure.
 
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It's odd that people have suddenly switched to the idea that he sucks. He's been one of our top defensive prospects; a right handed shot that did well in Sweden and the world juniors, put up 5 points in 7 games in his first AHL playoffs, and then led our AHL defense in scoring as a rookie last year. Even this year, he's second. You shouldn't throw away every 22 year old defenseman that isn't "destroying the AHL".

I'm not sure what people think Benoit, Lagesson, Lajoie, Myers, Rifai, etc. did to earn NHL games, or why they plus Kokkonen, Mattinen, Webber, Mermis, etc. earned more preseason opportunity. I gave you some reasons why we could use somebody with his skills, but this isn't even about giving him an NHL roster spot yet. This is about not throwing him away, just because he's not the size of a truck.

How Liljegren was handled this year was a whole other failure.
whole heartedly agree I’m wondering if they trade bacc for him cause he’s better then everyone other than our top pair at the very least him and oel would have looked like him and sandin 2.0
 

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