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Rumor: Marek - Dallas signing Jason Robertson "doesn't look likely"

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Trade Robertson for San Jose's pick.
Draft Ivar Stenberg & try to sign Alex Tuck in free agency.
If you're able to sign Tuch, trade Bourque for Simon Nemec.
Trade Harley for Knies.
I like Harley (alot) but why would Toronto consider doing this? His value was established as 2 top prospects and 2 1sts (via almost completed Hab deal). I'm a Harley believer but his contract is paying him for the player he'll hopefully become rather than the one he is (big part of this is opportunity-ie Heiskanen gets most of the offensive ops). They do need d though so I'd love to acquire him, just not at this cost.
 
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I like Harley (alot) but why would Toronto consider doing this? His value was established as 2 top prospects and 2 1sts (via almost completed Hab deal). I'm a Harley believer but his contract is paying him for the player he'll hopefully become rather than the one he is (big part of this is opportunity-ie Heiskanen gets most of the offensive ops). They do need d though so I'd love to acquire him, just not at this cost.

Rumors say it was:

- Gallagher no retention for 2025-2026 and 2026-2027
- Zharovsky
- Late first in 2026
- Likely late first in 2027
- Lesser prospect D (possibly Engstrom, Pickford, also heard Mittelstadt discussed)

for

- Knies

That is still quite a haul for Knies, and I actually think that Zharovsky alone has greater potential than Knies but is obviously not nearly as good right now given that he's 4 years younger.

At the deadline there is always a premium put on good players, and I think the Canadiens were paying that (plus the rival tax) in this hypothetical trade for Knies.

But the one thing to take into consideration though is that this has zero bearing on a potential Knies for Harley trade.

You can't use an hypothetical trade as a gauge for the value of one of your players and then extrapolate that elsewhere, as you're missing on 99% of the context of the first hypothetical trade if you do that.

Harley is a defenseman, a much more coveted position than wingers, and this season Heiskanen was back in charge for Dallas, hence why Harley saw lesser playtime.

But Harley is still a first-pairing defenseman, and worth much more than Knies even with his $10M contract and being a left defenseman instead of the more-coveted righties.
 
Rumors say it was:

- Gallagher no retention for 2025-2026 and 2026-2027
- Zharovsky
- Late first in 2026
- Likely late first in 2027
- Lesser prospect D (possibly Engstrom, Pickford, also heard Mittelstadt discussed)

for

- Knies

That is still quite a haul for Knies, and I actually think that Zharovsky alone has greater potential than Knies but is obviously not nearly as good right now given that he's 4 years younger.

At the deadline there is always a premium put on good players, and I think the Canadiens were paying that (plus the rival tax) in this hypothetical trade for Knies.

But the one thing to take into consideration though is that this has zero bearing on a potential Knies for Harley trade.

You can't use an hypothetical trade as a gauge for the value of one of your players and then extrapolate that elsewhere, as you're missing on 99% of the context of the first hypothetical trade if you do that.

Harley is a defenseman, a much more coveted position than wingers, and this season Heiskanen was back in charge for Dallas, hence why Harley saw lesser playtime.

But Harley is still a first-pairing defenseman, and worth much more than Knies even with his $10M contract and being a left defenseman instead of the more-coveted righties.
Gallagher wasn’t involved and the prospect rumoured to be included but not named was Pickford or Fowler ( Reinbacher and Hage were the guys specifically not part of it ) . I quite literally mentioned Harley usage in my post above and was complimentary of him as a player . He’d be a number 1 on many teams . Dallas isn’t one of them.
 
letting Robertson go would be a massive error. that extra 2M in cap space seems nice but who are you gonna spend it on that moves the needle like he does?
 
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The Sabres?

Losing Tuch primarily due to term and related to age, I would think Jarmo would view money towards a 26 yr old better spent. But who knows.
 
The Sabres?

Losing Tuch primarily due to term and related to age, I would think Jarmo would view money towards a 26 yr old better spent. But who knows.
The Sabres have less than 12 million in cap space and have to sign Benson, Kesselring, and Krebs. Thats the main reason why Tuch will be gone already. They cant pay Robertson 13+
 
Because ownership is desperate and I can see them offersheet Robertson, trade for Kyrou and/or sign Tuch. With those additions and not giving up any immediate assets, I.e still have Beniers, Catton, O’Brien and the 7 OA pick, it is unlikely they are a lottery team.
They don't have the cap space to do that.

And Robo and Kyrou or Tuch don't make Seattle a PO team.
 
The Sabres have less than 12 million in cap space and have to sign Benson, Kesselring, and Krebs. Thats the main reason why Tuch will be gone already. They cant pay Robertson 13+
This is actually a non factor for many teams. They can move money out. It’s not as restrictive as many fans think in any event. But I digress on that aspect, I’m just looking at Jarmo’s strategy moving forward given we already know he was in on both Thomas and Paryako at the deadline. He’s made signature elite talent acquisitions in the past as a GM, I can see him using the same approach.
 
there's 0 chance the Stars match 14m+ for Robo, there's probably near that, that he signs with a lotto team either. But we'll find out in a couple weeks
Right. The latter crossed my mind as well. Would he want to sign with the team which is likely to afford to throw that type of money at him?

But that likely won’t change what the Kraken ownership tries. Keeping in mind they were rumored to offer 15M x 3 to extend Panarin during the TDL of they acquired him.

Our ownership has shown the tendency to be focused on short term success and I expect them to be borderline stupid this off-season.
 
No, but why would a lotto team piss away 4 unprotected 1st?
Small note. It is 4 1sts over 5 years, so effectively it is 1 protection.

I don't know about the Kraken specifically, and I haven't gone through who has what picks and cap space, but I have to believe there is at least one team that that offer sheet makes sense for.
 
Small note. It is 4 1sts over 5 years, so effectively it is 1 protection.

I don't know about the Kraken specifically, and I haven't gone through who has what picks and cap space, but I have to believe there is at least one team that that offer sheet makes sense for.
Right. Honestly why wouldn’t you if you felt that it would give you the head start to be competitive.

Teams Iike the Kraken have good pieces but not that 1 star player. To trade for Robertson would cost a package starting with 7OA + Catton/O’Brien and likely 1 more 1st. Or they use those pieces, add Robertson and another winger around Beniers and try to make the playoffs next season. Worst case, they defer next years 1st.

It’s a moot point though, because our management has the aggressiveness of a sloth and are as likely to make the moves as I am to go climb Everest.
 
Robertson should just file for a 1 year arbitration. Play on a good team and then sell yourself to 32 teams.
 
letting Robertson go would be a massive error. that extra 2M in cap space seems nice but who are you gonna spend it on that moves the needle like he does?
We're gonna spend it on guys like Radek Faksa and Sam Steel, guys that play the "right way"
Players that don't score, can't control the puck, don't finish checks, don't skate all that well either (or are outright horrible in Faksa's case) but can kill the stupid penalties Benn takes. Oh and we'll bring back Benn to float around too, because watching that loser the last 2 years wasn't bad enough.
 
Is the problem strictly cap, or financial? Vancouver can help that out. What kind of bad, or even just overpaid, contracts are on Dallas?

Price to high for his perceived value to the team? We can send some lesser pieces your way to fill what ever openings are left.

Too many requests to reunite "the brothers" getting stale?....yeah we can't help that one.
 

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