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TheKrebsCycle said:
He’s quite literally a star ( Dallas Star duh - but a star in his own right ) . Not a superstar but a star . Good defensively too . Main concern would be that Dallas has a lot of good offensive players; it’s not super clear who’s driving the bus and his foot speed isn’t great ( but hasn’t held him back so far ) . But yah 40 / 50 goal scorer equals star to me.
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He's a lot better than most people think he is because he plays a boring, but incredibly efficient game. The dude consistently produces no matter who he plays with, he isn't reliant on the PP, and his defensive metrics are amazing when you consider his offensive production.

Over the past 4 sessions he is 9th in both points and goals. That literally makes him a top 10 offensive player by definition. And considering he is no slouch defensively, it's super weird to see people doubting whether he is a superstar or not. He clearly is.
 
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99ovr said:
Yeah I dont get it if it's because of his skating, he's already shown he could be an elite player despite that.

His game is not based on speed so similar to Mark Stone he should still be elite in his mid-30s. In fact someone I knew that watched him while he was with Don Mills U16 AAA said the same thing, he'll be an elite player even when he ages.

I wouldn't hesitate on 14m at all, would love the Sens to offer sheet him lol
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I almost feel like Dallas is waiting for someone to offersheet him
 
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It's a contract year for Seguin. Wouldn't it be in his interest to waive and go to a team where he will get more opportunity?
 
What I don't get is the taxes of it all. Sure you can get traded to Chicago or wherever but if Stars fans say his Dallas ask is 14M, then thats like 16M in Chicago to reach parity. And that number makes this Hawks fan blush if I'm also giving up huge prospect and picks to boot.
 
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Taze em said:
What I don't get is the taxes of it all. Sure you can get traded to Chicago or wherever but if Stars fans say his Dallas ask is 14M, then thats like 16M in Chicago to reach parity. And that number makes this Hawks fan blush if I'm also giving up huge prospect and picks to boot.
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Yeah that’s why Dallas is in the driver seat. They can offer 12 mil but he would have to get 14 mil plus to get the same take home pay.
 
Taze em said:
What I don't get is the taxes of it all. Sure you can get traded to Chicago or wherever but if Stars fans say his Dallas ask is 14M, then thats like 16M in Chicago to reach parity. And that number makes this Hawks fan blush if I'm also giving up huge prospect and picks to boot.
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I personally would like to see Bedard play with JRob DEPENDING ON THE COST, as I see a lot of potential growth in the Hawks internal prospect system and can see us improving just with a bit more patience.

Having said that, I think people often overstate the impact of taxes when it comes to a contract negotiation. Remember that while it is true that Texas has no STATE income tax (everyone still pays the Federal tax which is the biggest amount) Illinois is actually more lucrative for millionaires as we have a FLAT TAX rate of 4.95% . Other states (like the Federal Government) tax you more, the more money you make.

Anyways, the difference between Texas and Illinois (not accounting for other taxes like property and sales tax) is actually "only" $693,000 on a $14,000,000 annual salary. Highly doubt that is a factor in where a player decides to sign.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
It's a contract year for Seguin. Wouldn't it be in his interest to waive and go to a team where he will get more opportunity?
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He was playing really well before his ACL tear and will have a spot in the top-9 on the right wing. I'd be shocked if he played somewhere other than Dallas for the rest of his career (which, given his knees and hips, won't be that long).

He will also turn 35 during this upcoming season, so will be eligible to sign one-year bonus-laden deals until he wants to retire.

I guess the probability is never zero, but his wife is from Texas, his kid was born in Texas, he's made a LOT of money in his career and he already has won a Cup, so he wouldn't be chasing his first championship.
 
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Taze em said:
What I don't get is the taxes of it all. Sure you can get traded to Chicago or wherever but if Stars fans say his Dallas ask is 14M, then thats like 16M in Chicago to reach parity. And that number makes this Hawks fan blush if I'm also giving up huge prospect and picks to boot.
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Salary difference between CHI and DAL for state taxes is approximately 2.5%. which is about $400K on $14M salary. (Impact is about half the difference in state tax rates of 4.95% for IL vs. 0% for Texas because all players pay state tax on the road games. As a result, only half of the Dallas games are played in Texas, and when they're on the road in Vancouver both teams pay BC and CAN income taxes for that game. Said another way, the Hawks players pay 4.95% on the 41 home games, and the Stars pay 0% on their homes games, with both teams paying the same tax for all the "road" games.)

The differential you're talking about $14M vs. $16M, might be in play for the highest tax states (CA, NY ~ 10-13%) with additional city taxes (NYC~4%). I would include BC & Ontario but I have no exposure to Canadian income tax - so I don't understand all the nuances to quantify and would just include them as "high tax" and not try to quantify the difference.
 
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If Robertson is plan on owning a house in Texas, he'd have to deal with the very high Texas property taxes, which cancel out a lot (if not all) of the benefit of the lack of state income tax.
 
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wickedwitch said:
If Robertson is plan on owning a house in Texas, he'd have to deal with the very high Texas property taxes, which cancel out a lot (if not all) of the benefit of the lack of state income tax.
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Illinois property taxes are higher than Texas.
Then you add on the state income tax and all of the other ways they milk us out of our money.

State and local tax burden in Illinois is around 10% of income (even more in Chicago.)
Texas is about 7.5%.

This is in addition to your federal taxes.
So it does not cancel out.
 
Beukeboom Fan said:
Salary difference between CHI and DAL for state taxes is approximately 2.5%. which is about $400K on $14M salary. (Impact is about half the difference in state tax rates of 4.95% for IL vs. 0% for Texas because all players pay state tax on the road games. As a result, only half of the Dallas games are played in Texas, and when they're on the road in Vancouver both teams pay BC and CAN income taxes for that game. Said another way, the Hawks players pay 4.95% on the 41 home games, and the Stars pay 0% on their homes games, with both teams paying the same tax for all the "road" games.)

The differential you're talking about $14M vs. $16M, might be in play for the highest tax states (CA, NY ~ 10-13%) with additional city taxes (NYC~4%). I would include BC & Ontario but I have no exposure to Canadian income tax - so I don't understand all the nuances to quantify and would just include them as "high tax" and not try to quantify the difference.
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Most contracts at that dollar mark are very high in bonuses, so that the large portion of the money is taxed at the home state rate. And a much smaller portion is taxed at a game rate.


Seguin is a good example for what i'm talking about.
makes 6.75m this year, 5.75 in bonuses, and only 1m base that would be subject to the 41 road game taxes
 
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GetRidOfOettinger said:
Most contracts at that dollar mark are very high in bonuses, so that the large portion of the money is taxed at the home stat rate. And a much smaller portion is taxed at a game rate.


Seguin is a good example for what i'm talking about.
makes 6.75m this year, 5.75 in bonuses, and only 1m base that would be subject to the 41 road game taxes
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That's a fair point. I would believe that Robertson could maintain his household in Texas can be a resident there when the signing bonuses are paid out to maintain tax status (much like Matthews does in AZ so he's not paying Ontario tax on his signing bonus payments). I try to keep things as simple as possible for these types of comparisons, because taxes vary significantly based on specific criteria for individual players that we don't know.

It should be noted that effective September 2026 that only 60% of a total contract value can be paid via signing bonus - so that will reduce the impact this has moving forward.
 
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SavBigMoneyAtBedards said:
Illinois property taxes are higher than Texas.
Then you add on the state income tax and all of the other ways they milk us out of our money.

State and local tax burden in Illinois is around 10% of income (even more in Chicago.)
Texas is about 7.5%.

This is in addition to your federal taxes.
So it does not cancel out.
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You still have to live in Chicago vs Texas though.
 
Trade Robertson for San Jose's pick.
Draft Ivar Stenberg & try to sign Alex Tuck in free agency.
If you're able to sign Tuch, trade Bourque for Simon Nemec.
Trade Harley for Knies.
 
thegoldenbrett said:
Trade Robertson for San Jose's pick.
Draft Ivar Stenberg & try to sign Alex Tuck in free agency.
If you're able to sign Tuch, trade Bourque for Simon Nemec.
Trade Harley for Knies.
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Bourque doesnt get you nemec imo but i admire the thought process. Filling a need on defense and getting them on an ELC is a very attractive proposition for Dallas. Toronto would seem to have a need for Harley, but Toronto looks so thin on offense even with McKenna- especially with Matthews’ future up in the air.
 
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JesusNPucks said:
Here’s another attempt—

To NYR
J. Robertson

To DAL
W. Cuylle
A. Lafreniere
1st 2026 (DAL)
1st 2028
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That's kind of in the ballpark of what it would take to get Robertson (I think it's still too much value given up by the Rangers, but whatever), except that I think the Rangers are not the right team to make that trade given that they are likely rebuilding.

Pick another team, like the Winnipeg Jets, or something. I don't know.
 
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