Rumor: Marek - Dallas signing Jason Robertson "doesn't look likely"

[JadedRandom]

Literally have never gotten a below market value from any of our re-signings.
Rantanen you could argue took a discount to come here, but he's the only one.

Would be nice if this advantage would start working for us.

Duchene, Lindell, Heiskanen, Oettinger, Johnston.

If you didn't have the taxes advantages you do, those players would still be on your team but would be on more onerous contracts right now than they are.

Like it or not, that advantage has been working for you for decades; it's just that you didn't have a good-enough scouting/management team to really profit from it until recently.

If Florida teams, and others like Vegas and Dallas, didn't suddenly get highly-competent in their dealings/draft/trades, the NHL at large wouldn't have cared for the advantages that they have.

But now that those teams have had that success, the "cat is out of the bag" so to speak.

If we look a little more closely, bigger markets have heavier pressures on the players, which means more sponsorship money but also less anonymity.

Dallas and teams like Florida/Vegas/Tampa has much lesser pressure on the players than the Hockey-mad markets whilst also letting them take home more money at the end of the day because of lesser taxes.

Bigger markets have their drawbacks for the higher sponsorship money, lesser-taxed teams like Dallas only have advantages without drawbacks and that's where fans/teams/owners start grumbling a little bit.

Aside from that, I hope that, if Dallas isn't ready to give him what he wants, that Robertson gets traded to a team that will make the most of his skills, like San Jose, and he ends up having great years there.

 

[mphmiles]

it’s nothing against Ottawa, but Robertson doesn’t have much incentive to sign a long term extension in a trade unless it’s exactly where he wants to go. Sure, he’ll lose out on 8 years, but it’s not as if he’ll be ancient after 6, and the cap is going to continue to go up.

As mentioned, he could take his one year QO, let the bidding start next year, and then have his pick.

 

[M88K]

Duchene, Lindell, Heiskanen, Oettinger, Johnston.

If you didn't have the taxes advantages you do, those players would still be on your team but would be on more onerous contracts right now than they are.

Like it or not, that advantage has been working for you for decades; it's just that you didn't have a good-enough scouting/management team to really profit from it until recently.

If Florida teams, and others like Vegas and Dallas, didn't suddenly get highly-competent in their dealings/draft/trades, the NHL at large wouldn't have cared for the advantages that they have.

But now that those teams have had that success, the "cat is out of the bag" so to speak.

If we look a little more closely, bigger markets have heavier pressures on the players, which means more sponsorship money but also less anonymity.

Dallas and teams like Florida/Vegas/Tampa has much lesser pressure on the players than the Hockey-mad markets whilst also letting them take home more money at the end of the day because of lesser taxes.

Bigger markets have their drawbacks for the higher sponsorship money, lesser-taxed teams like Dallas only have advantages without drawbacks and that's where fans/teams/owners start grumbling a little bit.

Aside from that, I hope that, if Dallas isn't ready to give him what he wants, that Robertson gets traded to a team that will make the most of his skills, like San Jose, and ends up having great years there.

Duchene signed "cheap" because he's still getting a boatload from Nashville for the buyout, but sure, that one could count as a discount, because he still could have gotten more.
Heiskanen signed for 500k less than Makar.
Oettinger is horribly overpaid, but got the same $ amount as Swayman (tax market)
Johnston's contract walks him right to UFA. Signed for 9% which puts him right in line with others at his level.
Lindell got market value too

Heiskanen signed for 10.37%
Makar for 11% (Tax market) Best defenseman in the NHL makes a whole 500k more signed within days of each other.

There's no discount there,

 

[viper0220]

If it doesn't start with the 9OA Dallas hangs up pretty quickly.

Ottawa would give up the 9th overall pick but Robertson won’t sign in Ottawa.

 

[Unspecified]

Ottawa would give up the 9th overall pick but Robertson won’t sign in Ottawa.

Honestly i don't think he cares where he signs, he just wants the $$$ so its possible.

 

[M88K]

Honestly i don't think he cares where he signs, he just wants the $$$ so its possible.

Where are people getting this from? His rumored ask is 14m. Which is market value for a player of his caliber. He's not chasing Kaprizov money. His opening ask was 14m, not 20

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Honestly i don't think he cares where he signs, he just wants the $$$ so its possible.

He may be in it for money, but realistically if he is determined to play in the US, I'm sure there is still somebody running a US franchise that would back up the BRINKS truck in the same manner that Ottawa would.

 

[Panteras]

So does this mean Nill is still winning GM of the year?

 

[Unspecified]

Where are people getting this from? His rumored ask is 14m. Which is market value for a player of his caliber. He's not chasing Kaprizov money. His opening ask was 14m, not 20

Its pretty obvious if a player lets $2 mil per be the straw that breaks the camel's back it's beyond wanting to play for the team that drafted him. Players that want to win take subtle discounts to do so with a good team. It happened with Crosby, Ekblad, McDavid to an extent and other players. Asking for market value is absolutely his right but if he doesn't care about the money then why hasn't he accepted? Its not like they are a that far apart. Penny pinching and handcuffing the team to sign other players is quite selfish but hey it is his right to do so.

 

[M88K]

Its pretty obvious if a player lets $2 mil per be the straw that breaks the camel's back it's beyond wanting to play for the team that drafted him. Players that want to win take subtle discounts to do so with a good team. It happened with Crosby, Ekblad, McDavid to an extent and other players. Asking for market value is absolutely his right but if he doesn't care about the money then why hasn't he accepted? Its not like they are a that far apart. Penny pinching and handcuffing the team to sign other players is quite selfish but hey it is his right to do so.

Nobody else in dallas save Rantanen has taken a discount, Robo has to be the 1st?

We have no idea what the Stars are offering. Last we heard is they offered the Harley deal.

 

[Unspecified]

Nobody else in dallas save Rantanen has taken a discount, Robo has to be the 1st?

We have no idea what the Stars are offering. Last we heard is they offered the Harley deal.

I never said he has to be the the first of anything but if he is going to let a couple million immediately stop negotiations then so be it. I'm willing to bet they've offered him more than what was initially reported and he still has rejected it. If that is the case he doesn't care about the team and wants what he's worth no matter who offers it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why would Robertson go to a broken locker room?

He doesn’t want to go to the leafs.

 

[M88K]

I never said he has to be the the first of anything but if he is going to let a couple million immediately stop negotiations then so be it. I'm willing the bet they've offered him more than what was initially reported and he still has rejected it. If that is the case he doesn't care about the team and wants what he's worth no matter who offers it.

The most recent report is they want him under Rantanen. so under 12. Seems like they haven't moved up in good faith, if you've gone from 10.6 to maybe 11-11.5

 

[Unspecified]

The most recent report is they want him under Rantanen. so under 12. Seems like they haven't moved up in good faith, if you've gone from 10.6 to maybe 11-11.5

That is all we've hear you are right but we don't hear everything. If the team says we are progressing there is more money being thrown at him 100%. Its probably still below what he feels he is worth and what the markets says he is work. Taking every bit of crumbs is his right like i said but also as i said if he lets a couple million make him seek employment somewhere else then its about the money.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Robertson in his last 5 seasons has AVG 40 goals over 82 games.

 

[Erep]

Nobody else in dallas save Rantanen has taken a discount, Robo has to be the 1st?

We have no idea what the Stars are offering. Last we heard is they offered the Harley deal.

Actually, one player did give Dallas a discount.

It was Robertson on his bridge contract, which was set up so Dallas could make the cap. He helped them out, expecting to be paid this time. Looks like that isn't happening, so he isn't going to be the sucker again.

 

[M88K]

That is all we've hear you are right but we don't hear everything. If the team says we are progressing there is more money being thrown at him 100%. Its probably still below what he feels he is worth and what the markets says he is work. Taking every bit of crumbs is his right like i said but also as i said if he lets a couple million make him seek employment somewhere else then its about the money.

The flip side is Nill is going to let him walk over a couple million, because he prioritized handing Harley a giant undeserved extension that is already aging like Milk.

He isn't going to sign in Ottawa, precisely because it's not all about the money

 

[KniesMadeBradyCry]

He doesn’t want to go to the leafs.

I expected something better from you.

 

[Unspecified]

The flip side is Nill is going to let him walk over a couple million, because he prioritized handing Harley a giant undeserved extension that is already aging like Milk.

He isn't going to sign in Ottawa, precisely because it's not all about the money

He let Brad Richards walk for nothing but i think they have learned their lesson since then or one can hope. They'll be at an impasse if they don't meet what he wants and they will trade him. Or we can hope for a max offer sheet and be done with it.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Actually, one player did give Dallas a discount.

I was Robertson on his bridge contract, which was set up so Dallas could make the cap. He helped them out, expecting to be paid this time. Looks like that isn't happening, so he isn't going to be the sucker again.

Yeah thats what I brought up awhile ago was I thought Robertson did give Dallas a discount and did a favor for them to get under the cap and signed below what he was worth. I am going to ASSUME the GM had promised he would give him what he was worth on his next contract but is now back peddling hence why talks have stalled and Robertson isn't going to be a sucker a second time? but who knows at this point.

 

[M88K]

He let Brad Richards walk for nothing but i think they have learned their lesson since then or one can hope. They'll be at an impasse if they don't meet what he wants and they will trade him. Or we can hope for a max offer sheet and be done with it.

Nill wasn't GM then.

And he wasn't signing, told the team such, and had an NTC and wouldn't allow a trade to anywhere

 

[trellaine201]

Pretty crazy to think Robertson has only missed 8 games total in the past 4 years! Nice.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Pretty crazy to think Robertson has only missed 8 games total in the past 4 years! Nice.

If I was the Habs I would OS him at 14-15m and not even blink losing those 4 1sts

 

[sxvnert]

Rangers will probably be all over this.

 

[Unspecified]

That's right that was GMJN but from an organizational standpoint that was a dark day. I can't see the 3 time GM of the year letting that happen.