Value of: Marcus Pettersson.

[Luigi Lemieux]

I may be in the minority of Jets fans that thinks the Jets need a legitimate upgrade on Stanley/Fleury at 3 LD. They’ve both been decent, but I ‘d prefer having them as injury replacements in the #7/8 slot than #6/7

Whether the upgrade is Pettersson, Provorov or someone else, I’m unsure. I’d hate to move Heinola before fully knowing what we have with him, but I begrudgingly would in the right deal. Sounds like he’s getting close to possibly getting some game action soon. A conditioning stint may be required first.

Maybe a change of scenery and uniting Chaz with his brother Cruz would be good for Chaz as a secondary piece.

The Jets 1st should be somewhere in the mid to late twenties/ thirties.

Pettersson would be such a luxury at 3 LD. He's played played top pair LD for the Pens for the last few years.

 

[David71]

Marcus Pettersson at 50% retained for Nils Hoglander. this will be the deal IMO. no picks included or any prospects from vancouvers side.

 

[Duffy13]

...and how many goals did they score?

Rakell's first NHL season with more than 18 games was in his D+5, he didn't score 20 until his D+6. Hoglander scored 24 ES goals in his D+5.

Hoglander has been an NHL regular since his D+2

Oooooh wow, so he will definitely be the top 6 winger of the future and not a marginally better version of Rakell who is inconsistent with flashes of maybe.

Again, me personally, I would rather have picks and or prospects, no idea what Dubas wants or what JR would give up, just have no interest in Hoglander for this version of the Pens, in this timeframe, with this coaching staff.

Also, you can easily look these stats up yourself. He won't be better than Rakell, he will fall into a category between Bunting, Beau and Rakell.... see we have 3 of them already. He'd be a great addition to a team that is set and wants depth on the 3rd line that can fill in on the 2nd line. The Pens are a horrible fit for him, he'd be ruined.

 

[SEALBound]

Marcus Pettersson at 50% retained for Nils Hoglander. this will be the deal IMO. no picks included or any prospects from vancouvers side.

I don't think it will be. Knowing a bit about Dubas and the future of the Pens, I don't think he takes this deal.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Oilers have zero young NHLers of value they can afford to part with, which is Dubas' main ask.

They also have no 1st.

Akey, Savoie, O'Reilly 2026 1st, 2024 2ndx2

You are just making up BS.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Pettersson will likely be the most sought-after dman on the trade market come TDL time. Super workable contract as well.

I suggested 1st+4th as a reasonable value, same thing with Pettersson+2nd for Pettersson straight up.

As I pointed out, Jake's value at the TDL last year was affected by Dubas not granting teams the other teams the opportunity to discuss an extension, so at the time of the trade, the team had to assume that he was a pure rental. And he still returned what he returned.

I put in my post that in order for Pettersson get a high return, it comes with the conditions of: granting permission to speak with his agent, putting an extension in place, and Dubas retaining 50% at the TDL. Meanwhile, we take back a cap dump. Hardly unreasonable. Pettersson is a 3rd pairing dman, Hoglander is on the 4th line with a new 3x3 coming. 1st will be a late first. If I'm mistaken on Hoglander not approaching the cap dump territory, then fine, we can pick another player like Desharnais. If it's Hoglander, we can likely send back DOC as a good fill in for Hoglander.

For a signed Pettersson, I’d probably do 1st, Hoglander and B prospect for Pettersson and DOC. But I also don’t view Hoglander’s value as highly as some of my fellow Canucks’ posters and was one of the few that would’ve given him up for Guentzel last deadline.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Koivunen, Ponomarev, Brunicke and Bunting for 20 games of Jake seems good to me?

But acquiring EK65 and then trading your elite winger doesn’t make sense. Either keep/acquire both or neither.

EK65 was mainly to get rid of Granlund and Petry.

Guentzel was a "we're not making playoff so let's trade our elite winger for futures" kind of trade. I agree though, it was an awkward version of the retool Washington did.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Marcus Pettersson at 50% retained for Nils Hoglander. this will be the deal IMO. no picks included or any prospects from vancouvers side.

That’s like the Penguins offering Cody Glass for Brock Boeser straight up.

Hoglander career: 95 points in 238 games, 33 points per 82 games
Glass career: 75 points in 201 games, 31 points per 82 games

 

[Rowlet]

Akey, Savoie, O'Reilly 2026 1st, 2024 2ndx2

You are just making up BS.

None of those are NHL ready or currently playing in the NHL though... and they don't have a 1st this year?

Everything I said is factually correct.

 

[Diamonddog01]

For a signed Pettersson, I’d probably do 1st, Hoglander and B prospect for Pettersson and DOC. But I also don’t view Hoglander’s value as highly as some of my fellow Canucks’ posters and was one of the few that would’ve given him up for Guentzel last deadline.

I'd be happy with this. I don't think (nor do I want) Vancouver will trade Petterson. I also get that Pittsburgh fans don't want Hoglander but based on Dubas' record and statements I think it's a reasonable basis for a trade (not just 1 for 1, definitely needs a bit more from Vancouver).

 

[TFHockey]

Edmonton should be all over this guy.

 

[SEALBound]

For a signed Pettersson, I’d probably do 1st, Hoglander and B prospect for Pettersson and DOC. But I also don’t view Hoglander’s value as highly as some of my fellow Canucks’ posters and was one of the few that would’ve given him up for Guentzel last deadline.

Something around that would fit the mold of Dubas's "compete now but build for later" model.

 

[SEALBound]

Edmonton should be all over this guy.

They probably should be but what does Edmonton even offer?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Something around that would fit the mold of Dubas's "compete now but build for later" model.

I’d also do the 2nd, Hoglander, Mynio offer for unsigned Pettersson that @Empoleon8771 suggested.

 

[SEALBound]

I’d also do the 2nd, Hoglander, Mynio offer for unsigned Pettersson that @Empoleon8771 suggested.

Mynio or Pettersson? Lol.

I think it depends on what JR/Alvin see in Hoglander. I honestly don't know if he's a young, budding star or a cap dump at this point. Certainly some potential to produce in the bottom 6 but he's praise and value have been an absolute roller coaster these last two years.

If Lekkerimaki is coming up and will do well, it would make a bit of sense to dump Hoglander and get Pettersson back. Once 100% healthy, Lekky and Petts in, Hogs out still yields a really nice roster. As I said in another post, we can even send DOC as a depth player to replace Hoglander.

 

[TheNewEra]

Dallas doesnt really need him but have major cap flexibility for next season where it might be considered

Tampa getting him would be annoying

Jets are doing well but i feel like they have to make a move this year so they should consider it

 

[jd22]

I think Hoglander is getting a bit undervalued here. 20ES goals from wherever in the lineup is not cap dump level - not at 1.1m this year, and 3m for the next 3. With the potential to perhaps become a regular top 6 player, the cap hit is quite reasonable.

I'd gamble on it if I was a GM. Just like GM's should have bought low on Boeser a couple years ago.

We shall see, but Hoglander is not a cap dump. He would not just have been resigned to a 3x3 if so.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Hoglander is getting a bit undervalued here. 20ES goals from wherever in the lineup is not cap dump level - not at 1.1m this year, and 3m for the next 3. With the potential to perhaps become a regular top 6 player, the cap hit is quite reasonable.

I'd gamble on it if I was a GM. Just like GM's should have bought low on Boeser a couple years ago.

We shall see, but Hoglander is not a cap dump. He would not just have been resigned to a 3x3 if so.

I don't think Hoglander is a cap dump but what he did last year isn't as relevant as him being pretty mediocre this year.

To me, his value is like a 2nd rounder right now. The Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd deal is basically 2 2nds and a 3rd in value for Pettersson, which seems reasonable to me.

 

[jd22]

I don't think Hoglander is a cap dump but what he did last year isn't as relevant as him being pretty mediocre this year.

To me, his value is like a 2nd rounder right now. The Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd deal is basically 2 2nds and a 3rd in value for Pettersson, which seems reasonable to me.

Okay, but he's trending for 24 points on the year - not a vast decrease from 35 which is expected. A single 2 point game would put him back on that pace.

Admittedly, he is not playing as well as last year, but it's quite a small sample size.

In the NHL, you either pay for a given or gamble on uncertainty. If there was a consistent u25 25 goals/year goal scorer locked up at 4 years for 3m with room for improvement, he would be worth a lot. Hoglander is TBD.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Hoglander has never been a Rick Tocchet favourite and we’re seeing that of late with him averaging about 10.5 min/game the last four games. I think Allvin was hoping he would be a better fit with Pettersson this year in a top 6 role but it hasn’t materialized and Tocchet has gone with Sherwood in that spot who’s been great.

I definitely think moving Hoglander is an option, I just feel that Allvin obviously values him more than the coach does and in that case it might be better to move off of him while he still hopefully has some value and go with a player better suited for that 4th line role like Bains.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

For a signed Pettersson, I’d probably do 1st, Hoglander and B prospect for Pettersson and DOC. But I also don’t view Hoglander’s value as highly as some of my fellow Canucks’ posters and was one of the few that would’ve given him up for Guentzel last deadline.

I'd be interested in something like that. Depends on the B prospect.

I think Hoglander is getting a bit undervalued here. 20ES goals from wherever in the lineup is not cap dump level - not at 1.1m this year, and 3m for the next 3. With the potential to perhaps become a regular top 6 player, the cap hit is quite reasonable.

I'd gamble on it if I was a GM. Just like GM's should have bought low on Boeser a couple years ago.

We shall see, but Hoglander is not a cap dump. He would not just have been resigned to a 3x3 if so.

I don't think we are saying he is cap dump. Just not a player the Penguins should be targeting for the best rental LD (possibly best defensemen as well)

We need picks and prospects. We took on 2 players this year as cap dumps.
Glass and Hayes for a 2nd and 3rd.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Okay, but he's trending for 24 points on the year - not a vast decrease from 35 which is expected. A single 2 point game would put him back on that pace.

Admittedly, he is not playing as well as last year, but it's quite a small sample size.

In the NHL, you either pay for a given or gamble on uncertainty. If there was a consistent u25 25 goals/year goal scorer locked up at 4 years for 3m with room for improvement, he would be worth a lot. Hoglander is TBD.

But it doesn't matter what can happen if he does that if he's not doing that. I also don't think it's his point production that makes him valuable, it's his goal scoring. A 25 goal guy vs a 15 goal guy is a pretty significant difference in value, and Hoglander is only on pace for like 10 goals right now.

I can't see a rationalization for Hoglander having more value than a 2nd right now, and frankly I think there is a legitimate argument to be made that his value is more like a 3rd than a 2nd. If Vancouver would be valuing him highly in a potential Pettersson deal, I would just not pursue him because I do not think it's worth putting significant value on him (either from a team POV or Hoglander's value POV).

Hoglander would have to be the equivalent of Bunting in the Guentzel deal for me to really try to trade for him, in that he's the "has value but isn't the main part of the deal" type of piece.

 

[TFHockey]

I don't think Hoglander is a cap dump but what he did last year isn't as relevant as him being pretty mediocre this year.

To me, his value is like a 2nd rounder right now. The Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd deal is basically 2 2nds and a 3rd in value for Pettersson, which seems reasonable to me.

Would Pens move him for just draft picks?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Would Pens move him for just draft picks?

They'd probably play him on Crosby's LW and then try to flip him in a few years after pumping up his value. No idea if it would work, but I figure they'd try to get him to put up a 20-20 or 25-25 type of season playing with Crosby and then trade him.

 

[SEALBound]

I'd be interested in something like that. Depends on the B prospect.



I don't think we are saying he is cap dump. Just not a player the Penguins should be targeting for the best rental LD (possibly best defensemen as well)

We need picks and prospects. We took on 2 players this year as cap dumps.
Glass and Hayes for a 2nd and 3rd.

If sending out DOC with him gets us a bit of a bump in value, then I'm more okay with getting a roster player back. I don't want a Bunting or Hayes. Glass, probably not, but a 23yo I could go for. And that wouldn't be strictly limited to Hoglander/Vancouver either.

I could see the Flames maybe taking a look, potentially the Avs, and I wouldn't rule out something like NYI sending out Dobson for a ransom and using a bt of it to bring in Pettersson on a longer term deal that will quite a bit lower than Dobson.