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AKL said:
Russo seems to think he'll be traded by the end of the month, which obviously hints at the draft. Makes you assume some 2025 draft picks will be involved, which makes you assume you're not getting a better center in return. Which would indicate that his plan is to get one in free agency.

I can't fathom trading Rossi a week before free agency begins only to not get the better replacement...you'd think he'd have to have the replacement first, or at the very least, at the same time.

Then again maybe Russo is wrong and he won't be traded in June, who knows. I just don't really see a path to getting a better long term replacement than Rossi at 7x7. Even a better center like Tavares would be a much shorter term option. Unfortunately, I think that road leads to paying Sam Bennett more than any other team. I hope Guerin is smarter than that.
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The Sam Bennett is re-signing with FLA tweet is going to be crack. If Rossi goes for futures, I really don’t know what that means from the perspective of next year though. There just aren’t many guys available.
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
Well, Rossi is certainly a more talented offensive player and his deal would likely project to be a lower percentage of the cap long
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Dr Jan Itor said:
Contracts consist of 2 main parts: the years and the per year $'s.

Rossi wants 7 years x $7M per year.
Guerin wants 5 years x $5M per year.

If Guerin had to buckle, and meet one of Rossi's demands, while maintaining one of his, it is my opinion that he would much rather go with a 7 years x $5M per year instead of 5 year x $7M per year. Because a lower average is helpful cap-wise putting a team together, and the extra 2 years don't mean a whole lot when it's the player's late 20's.

Rossi would be the opposite, and want the 5 x $7M since it would be the same total $'s and he would get to his next contract 2 years earlier.

Therefore, I think Guerin has more of an issue with Rossi asking for $7M per year, than he does Rossi asking for 7 years.
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I think a 2/3 x 6 was offered and declined.

You and I disagree and that's OK. Rossi brings no value to a team trying to win a cup at 7M a year no matter the length.
 
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IAHockey25 said:
I think a 2/3 x 6 was offered and declined.

You and I disagree and that's OK. Rossi brings no value to a team trying to win a cup at 7M a year no matter the length.
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Well, he brings some value. And I’m wondering if you understand that 7M next year is going to be very different than 7M these last 6 years. It’s going to be very, very different over the course of the next 7 years too. I’m trying to sign as many young guys as long as I can this offseason.
 
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KaprizovSaveUs said:
The Sam Bennett is re-signing with FLA tweet is going to be crack. If Rossi goes for futures, I really don’t know what that means from the perspective of next year though. There just aren’t many guys available.
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If you're talking about centers it's literally just Tavares or Duchene in free agency. Sam Bennett obviously, but I think that's largely a lateral move, and when you consider 7x10 for Bennett or 7x7 for Rossi, I think it's an overall downgrade.

The other problem is I don't see many high quality wingers available either. I don't think any of Marner, Granlund or Kane sign here, and I don't like Ehlers as much as some people do.

So it's not just centers imo, the path to improving the team in free agency just isn't really there unless it's something completely unexpected. That's why I kinda feel like his center help is gonna be Christian Dvorak, but even still, that's a massive downgrade, which means you need to get a 1 for 1 like Peterka in a Rossi trade.

My conclusion is that I think it's going to be very hard to improve the team next year if you trade Rossi. Rossi is our most realistic best chance at being a better team next year and in the near future.
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
Well, he brings some value. And I’m wondering if you understand that 7M next year is going to be very different than 7M these last 6 years. It’s going to be very, very different over the course of the next 7 years too. I’m trying to sign as many young guys as long as I can this offseason.
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Totally agree with you. But 7 million for 7 years eats up alot of Buium, Yurov, Ohgren who all have higher ceilings
 
IAHockey25 said:
Totally agree with you. But 7 million for 7 years eats up alot of Buium, Yurov, Ohgren who all have higher ceilings
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There's nothing to indicate Yurov has a higher ceiling, certainly nothing to indicate Öhgren does. And when those guys are getting big contracts, the cap will be much higher, and other contracts will fall off to accommodate those, like Spurgeon, Zuccarello, Trenin, etc.
 
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AKL said:
If you're talking about centers it's literally just Tavares or Duchene in free agency. Sam Bennett obviously, but I think that's largely a lateral move, and when you consider 7x10 for Bennett or 7x7 for Rossi, I think it's an overall downgrade.

The other problem is I don't see many high quality wingers available either. I don't think any of Marner, Granlund or Kane sign here, and I don't like Ehlers as much as some people do.

So it's not just centers imo, the path to improving the team in free agency just isn't really there unless it's something completely unexpected. That's why I kinda feel like his center help is gonna be Christian Dvorak, but even still, that's a massive downgrade, which means you need to get a 1 for 1 like Peterka in a Rossi trade.

My conclusion is that I think it's going to be very hard to improve the team next year if you trade Rossi. Rossi is our most realistic best chance at being a better team next year and in the near future.
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Let's say their 8th or 9th ranked player is there at #15, since it seems Vancouver is interested.

They go Rossi for Garland + #15. They still have ~$8M in space to make runs in free agency (Duchene).

Our forwards next year are:

Kaprizov - Ek - Zuccarello
Boldy - Duchene - Garland
Foligno - Yurov - Hartman
Ohgren - Gaudreau - Trenin

Can we not say that is an improved lineup from last year, plus an added asset of what we'd consider a "top 10" caliber pick?

If silver lining was trying to be found?
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
Let's say their 8th or 9th ranked player is there at #15, since it seems Vancouver is interested.

They go Rossi for Garland + #15. They still have ~$8M in space to make runs in free agency (Duchene).

Our forwards next year are:

Kaprizov - Ek - Zuccarello
Boldy - Duchene - Garland
Foligno - Yurov - Hartman
Ohgren - Gaudreau - Trenin

Can we not say that is an improved lineup from last year, plus an added asset of what we'd consider a "top 10" caliber pick?

If silver lining was trying to be found?
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I think it's a pretty big assumption that a deal would be Garland+15, Vancouver would have to be okay with that value, and then Guerin would have to be okay with getting an even smaller, softer player in the top six.

And you'd still need to account for Rossi improving next year again, where Garland and Duchene are not going to.

And I think if you're moving Rossi because you don't think he can contribute in the playoffs, it makes little sense to go after the 34 year old with 12 points in his last 37 playoff games.

But on paper, that roster could be better next year. Maybe not too far into the future, but next year yeah. Depends on how you view Rossi I guess.
 
AKL said:
There's nothing to indicate Yurov has a higher ceiling, certainly nothing to indicate Öhgren does. And when those guys are getting big contracts, the cap will be much higher, and other contracts will fall off to accommodate those, like Spurgeon, Zuccarello, Trenin, etc.
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Agree. But 7 million is not a good contract


Would you rather have Boldy at 7 x 10 or Rossi at 7x7....be honest
 
IAHockey25 said:
Agree. But 7 million is not a good contract


Would you rather have Boldy at 7 x 10 or Rossi at 7x7....be honest
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I'd rather have Boldy at 7x10, but I don't really see why that's relevant when we have Boldy at 7x7 and can have both players.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
No, they probably just want the first 60 games to count as well.

A "take or leave it" deal in early June is an extremely emotional response, and one that probably isn't very constructive. 3 x $5M probably isn't even on the table based on the 5 x $5M offer that was made.

Is NJ doing it with Hughes? Toronto with Knies? Anaheim with McTavish? I'm guessing negotiations haven't been super quiet with these guys who haven't signed yet.
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And just ignore the crap ending to the season.

If you offered Rossi for Hughes/Knies/McTavish, do you think those teams wouldn’t laugh in your face? Serious question.
 
IAHockey25 said:
Agree. But 7 million is not a good contract


Would you rather have Boldy at 7 x 10 or Rossi at 7x7....be honest
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Rossi was every bit as good as boldy the first 50 games of the year. I would not want to pay Boldy 10m. In fact Rossi at 7m is likely a better deal than Boldy at 10m
 
DigitalBoldy said:
If you offered Rossi for Hughes/Knies/McTavish, do you think those teams wouldn’t laugh in your face? Serious question.
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By the way, Knies only had points in 41 games this season. And he was playing with better talent for most of the season.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Oh? What’s that, you can’t prove I’m wrong in my statement? WEIRD.
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Nyquist shouldn’t have even been iced a single game in the playoffs given the regular season display he put on yet it took till game 6 for him to play slightly less minutes than Rossi. You’re example was pure idiocy and it’s shameful you typed it out
 
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I am curious though what Knies' season would have looked like if he had the same support around him as Rossi did for most of the season, and had a nagging injury in March. I'm thinking like 40 points.
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
The Sam Bennett is re-signing with FLA tweet is going to be crack. If Rossi goes for futures, I really don’t know what that means from the perspective of next year though. There just aren’t many guys available.
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They'd need to be all in on Duchene. Who would probably look pretty good next to Kaprizov.
 
AKL said:
There's nothing to indicate Yurov has a higher ceiling, certainly nothing to indicate Öhgren does. And when those guys are getting big contracts, the cap will be much higher, and other contracts will fall off to accommodate those, like Spurgeon, Zuccarello, Trenin, etc.
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There’s nothing to indicate he doesn’t have a higher ceiling.
 
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