Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[f7ben]

He played like shit and got demoted. It happens.

Nah , it only happens to him and when he played great he was still marginalized.

Let me know when anyone else in the team is treated like he was.

 

[BagHead]

I am not talking about the user or his opinion of players. I am talking about contracts being offered to young players at market value or even above based on probable future projections.

Sorry, I misread your intent.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Nah , it only happens to him and when he played great he was still marginalized.

Let me know when anyone else in the team is treated like he was.

Nyquist played 7 minutes in game 6 after his terrible game 5.

 

[Lapa]

I have missed lots of games.. why are we trading Rossi? Billy wants a C version of Foligno instead?

 

[MrRuin]

Sorry, I misread your intent.

Rereading it it wasn’t really clear. No worries!

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Rossi’s camp is putting everything on 5-6 games.

No, they probably just want the first 60 games to count as well.

A "take or leave it" deal in early June is an extremely emotional response, and one that probably isn't very constructive. 3 x $5M probably isn't even on the table based on the 5 x $5M offer that was made.

Is NJ doing it with Hughes? Toronto with Knies? Anaheim with McTavish? I'm guessing negotiations haven't been super quiet with these guys who haven't signed yet.

 

[MrRuin]

It’s from his agent, but keep talking.

Let me know when you are ready to move past your „one liner hot takes“ and have a serious, fact based discussion about Rossi!

 

[thestonedkoala]

Didn't Boldy play like shit and then got demoted and somehow still managed to get the contract?

 

[AKL]

I have missed lots of games.. why are we trading Rossi? Billy wants a C version of Foligno instead?

I mean, yeah that's basically what it sounds like

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Didn't Boldy play like shit and then got demoted and somehow still managed to get the contract?

Not sure about demoted, but he was in a down stretch when the contract happened. 5 points in 11 games, only 3 goals in the last 17 games.

 

[ctmagic]

We're not this. Much more middle of the pack.

Sure, point is we need some scoring on the wing and also from the blue line.

 

[AKL]

Sure, point is we need some scoring on the wing and also from the blue line.

Doesn't this basically support what I was saying the other day when you called me Eeyore?

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I just think a 7x7 deal in this economy is going to be so valuable. It’s not like we’re going to have an easy solution at center to replace him. Sign him to 7x7, play him top 6 again, and a year from now people will be killing themselves to trade for that deal when Bennett is making 9.

 

[IAHockey25]

I suspect that Guerin's issue with a 7 x $7M deal has more to do with the money than the years.

I would disagree

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I just think a 7x7 deal in this economy is going to be so valuable. It’s not like we’re going to have an easy solution at center to replace him. Sign him to 7x7, play him top 6 again, and a year from now people will be killing themselves to trade for that deal when Bennett is making 9.

Yep.

And honestly, if it's the $49M that he's targeting, make him take an 8th year with no $ increase (or an extra $1M) and get it closer to $6M. Not a big difference between 7 and 8 years anyway.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I would disagree

You think he'd rather pay Rossi 5 x $7M vs. 7 x $5M?

I sure don't.

 

[AKL]

I just think a 7x7 deal in this economy is going to be so valuable. It’s not like we’re going to have an easy solution at center to replace him. Sign him to 7x7, play him top 6 again, and a year from now people will be killing themselves to trade for that deal when Bennett is making 9.

It's also a very tradeable contract in a couple years if they still decide he isn't a fit. When the cap is 110M it'd be like a player making 5.5M this season or something close.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

It's also a very tradeable contract in a couple years if they still decide he isn't a fit. When the cap is 110M it'd be like a player making 5.5M this season or something close.

Yeah it’s basically another Ek type of deal which is universally considered a steal. Again, if he’s got a way to replace Rossi that I don’t know about- I’m all ears.

 

[IAHockey25]

You think he'd rather pay Rossi 5 x $7M vs. 7 x $5M?

I sure don't.

You think those are the offers...lol

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You think those are the offers...lol

No... please go back and find the post you responded to, and re-read.

 

[IAHockey25]

Yeah it’s basically another Ek type of deal which is universally considered a steal. Again, if he’s got a way to replace Rossi that I don’t know about- I’m all ears.

No no no

Ek contract is the ultimate steal A Rossi contract of 7 v 7 will not be

 

[IAHockey25]

No... please go back and find the post you responded to, and re-read.

Can you reshare

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

No no no

Ek contract is the ultimate steal A Rossi contract of 7 v 7 will not be

Well, Rossi is certainly a more talented offensive player and his deal would likely project to be a lower percentage of the cap long term.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Can you reshare

Contracts consist of 2 main parts: the years and the per year $'s.

Rossi wants 7 years x $7M per year.
Guerin wants 5 years x $5M per year.

If Guerin had to buckle, and meet one of Rossi's demands, while maintaining one of his, it is my opinion that he would much rather go with a 7 years x $5M per year instead of 5 year x $7M per year. Because a lower average is helpful cap-wise putting a team together, and the extra 2 years don't mean a whole lot when it's the player's late 20's.

Rossi would be the opposite, and want the 5 x $7M since it would be the same total $'s and he would get to his next contract 2 years earlier.

Therefore, I think Guerin has more of an issue with Rossi asking for $7M per year, than he does Rossi asking for 7 years.

 

[AKL]

Yeah it’s basically another Ek type of deal which is universally considered a steal. Again, if he’s got a way to replace Rossi that I don’t know about- I’m all ears.

Russo seems to think he'll be traded by the end of the month, which obviously hints at the draft. Makes you assume some 2025 draft picks will be involved, which makes you assume you're not getting a better center in return. Which would indicate that his plan is to get one in free agency.

I can't fathom trading Rossi a week before free agency begins only to not get the better replacement...you'd think he'd have to have the replacement first, or at the very least, at the same time.

Then again maybe Russo is wrong and he won't be traded in June, who knows. I just don't really see a path to getting a better long term replacement than Rossi at 7x7. Even a better center like Tavares would be a much shorter term option. Unfortunately, I think that road leads to paying Sam Bennett more than any other team. I hope Guerin is smarter than that.