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Player Discussion Marco Rossi
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Interesting. So Rossi+#52 for Quinn+#9 (McQueen)? I don't hate that.
Dr Jan Itor
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I don't like it much, but I don't like Quinn all that much.
The only way to justify it to Kaprizov would be signing 1-2 big free agents (Marner/Tavares/Duchene/Bennett/Ehlers/Boeser/etc). I'm curious how Guerin will navigate who he adds to the team in free agency (if he adds anyone).
I'm still very interested in Vilardi. Stereotypical Guerin guy that produces. Geekie/McLeod/Voronkov/Cuylle are all interesting RFAs as well.
To me, the prize is McQueen. Quinn is just a piece to help the roster currently.
Plus, think of all the Lightning McQueen jokes and memes we can make.
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I just think Guerin needs to realize he has to start making meaningful moves. You can't trade Rossi and get worse now and in the future. If you're relying on free agents, you have to make sure you actually get them signed.
I know it's a meme phrase at this point, but trading Rossi for pure futures, or for a worse player like Hayton, and then only getting someone like Boeser in free agency, that's verging on fireable, especially if the team loses in round one again next year. We can't afford to get worse or stay the same at this point. We need to get better.
MrRuin
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They (Hynes and Rossi, probably also talked to BG?) also had a meeting at the end of the season where they had a "man like" talk as Rossi referred to it. There is information that the camps have that is not being shared publicly (yet). So to only base the reluctance to sign a cheap ass contract on the obvious reasons from the quote in this article and the exit interviews may be shortsighted. Right now everything is handled pretty professionally but as time goes on there may be more information leaking.
What we’re hearing about a Marco Rossi trade, potential destinations and return
Which teams could be "screaming" for him? What could the return be? Here's the latest on the No. 2 player on The Athletic's trade board.www.nytimes.com
The way the Wild have managed to not commit to Rossi as a top 6 center they have to make a pretty big commitment now to mend this aparent chasm of mistrust between the player and the coaching staff. Quite obviously at this point in time the Rossi camp does not trust the Wild brass to be put in a role to succeed in (read: top 6 role) if he signs a cheap short term deal. He absolutely has to think about his own career here and he has no reason to gift the Wild anything or undersell himself. His career is at a crucial crossroad. This is quite the predicament the Wild have put themselves AND the player in.
I somehow have the feeling that this will take a while to fully play out.
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As I'm saying all year, this situation about Rossi could have been prevent, if Rossi has got the Boldy/Hartman/Faber treatment.
Now we're in a situation Rossi's camp don't trust the franchise and Hynes & BG did everything to lower Rossis trade value at the end of the season.
I honestly can't see a happy ending from this for all involved persons (Rossi and his guys, BG & Hynes). There probably will be a trade but the return is gonna be shocking low.
I think Utah or Philadelphia would be a good destination for Rossi to move on, the return will not be satisfying though.
Now we're in a situation Rossi's camp don't trust the franchise and Hynes & BG did everything to lower Rossis trade value at the end of the season.
I honestly can't see a happy ending from this for all involved persons (Rossi and his guys, BG & Hynes). There probably will be a trade but the return is gonna be shocking low.
I think Utah or Philadelphia would be a good destination for Rossi to move on, the return will not be satisfying though.
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MrRuin
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The best place for Rossi would be with the Wild on a longterm contract with a AAV around Boldy’s and a front office fully committed to a player they have developed into a pretty good player and helping him to maximise his potential and thus helping their team win. Rossi will repay that trust 100% there is no doubt in my mind. He is that kind of player and character.
Not quite sure if this is the best case scenario for Rossi. There's been no commitment from the franchise and there seem to be double standards regarding him. Besides the postseason presser from Hynes and BG might have been kinda relationship killer.
If I'm Rossi I'd try my luck elsewhere, I wouldn't wanna play for a HC who's putting guys like Nyquist/Gauderau/Johansson/Zucc/Foligno/Hartman ahead of me in the lineup.
If Rossi’s camp has their head up their ass over 5 games, they are just as stupid as Guerin. Trade Rossi and fire Guerin. Both equally as stupid as the other.
McQueen is interesting. An even bigger, riskier Sennecke who plays C. Higher ceiling than any but Misa, and maybe Hagens/Martone. Back thing ...hard to say.
For those of you who think the Wild don’t view Rossi as a top 6 center or are mistreating him, Rossi ranked 22nd in even strength time on ice amongst centers. Sandwiched between Larkin and Thompson (Beniers, If you don’t consider Thompson a center). I’m pretty sure 2 of the guys listed ahead of him are not centers either (Guentzel and Barbashev).
His 15:50 ES TOI/GP is ahead of guys like Thompson, Beniers, Reinhart, Fantilli, Nelson, Barkov, Hischier, Tavares, Necas, Cirelli, O’Reilly, Kopitar, Bennett, Stephenson, Eriksson Ek, Monahan, Pettersson, Aho, Duchene, Pinto, Johnston, Cooley, D. Strome, McTavish, Hertl, Miller, RNH, R. Strome, Cozens, McLeod, Lundell, Lindholm, Hintz, Wright, etc etc etc.
The difference between Auston Matthews’ ES TOI/gp and Rossi’s ES TOI/GP? 2 seconds.
But yeah, the Wild totally hate Rossi and don’t use him as a top 6 center.
His 15:50 ES TOI/GP is ahead of guys like Thompson, Beniers, Reinhart, Fantilli, Nelson, Barkov, Hischier, Tavares, Necas, Cirelli, O’Reilly, Kopitar, Bennett, Stephenson, Eriksson Ek, Monahan, Pettersson, Aho, Duchene, Pinto, Johnston, Cooley, D. Strome, McTavish, Hertl, Miller, RNH, R. Strome, Cozens, McLeod, Lundell, Lindholm, Hintz, Wright, etc etc etc.
The difference between Auston Matthews’ ES TOI/gp and Rossi’s ES TOI/GP? 2 seconds.
But yeah, the Wild totally hate Rossi and don’t use him as a top 6 center.
So, get Guerin to trade Rossi, then fire him, leaving Hynes in place. Oh, joy.
If Guerin can't get what he wants in trade for Rossi, then you keep him. Not much Rossi can do about it except for an OS, which, are not common. Get a PO'ed Rossi in camp eager to prove his worth.
I'm in the camp of - I don't think trading Rossi is outrageous, especially if you don't see him as a guy who can elevate in the playoffs (yes, I'm aware of this year, just saying IF that was the belief)... but I'm really struggling to see how we get a return that makes any sense for where this team is at right now. We don't want draft picks that'll take 5 years to pan out, and we need centers.
So... I just don't believe we're going to come away happy with this.
So... I just don't believe we're going to come away happy with this.
I didn’t say to let Guerin trade Rossi. I said get rid of both of them because they are both being stupid.
Bill Zito, once we lure him to MN with fat stacks and pay Florida some compensation to let him go.
It’s pretty dumb that you can’t see or bring yourself to acknowledge why Rossi would be upset at his treatment all year. He got the top 6 minutes he did because they had very little option with Ek hurt and Hartman playing like trash for the first 82 games.
Every time there was a lineup change it was always Rossi being moved down only to be moved right back up again after whoever took his place was shit.
His deployment in the post season was such a massive slap in the face it can only be taken as an insult and a divorce moving forward.
How about we lure Zito away with fat stacks and let him mend the fence with Rossi who is a good player and forget the Billy regime of idiocy what existed
I’m sorry, this is just Rossi propaganda.
Rossi only “moved down” because Boldy represented the 1st line. The reality was that Boldy got a shit center replacement and Rossi got shit wingers. Neither worked that great, but Boldy was much better at making things work on his own than Rossi was. When Kaprizov was healthy in the first half, Rossi was spending something like 70% of his 5v5 ice time with him. Ek was playing during that time.
You think Zito would want Rossi? LOL. Look at the team he built in Florida. Look at the trades he made. Zito values size more than Guerin does. Rossi would be traded if Zito was our GM.
Dr Jan Itor
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We know Rossi played in the top 6 during the regular season. That is not in question.
So, again, Rossi’s side is being stupid with their refusal to consider a bridge due to role on the team.
Dr Jan Itor
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No, I think it's reasonable for them to be spooked on his future usage based on the playoffs and Guerin's comments about the center position.
And again, a lot of bridge deals get signed at the end of the off season. Signing a bridge deal right now is Rossi giving up on ~$35 million guaranteed, from his POV. I don't think you or I would be super highly motivated to do that either until we had to.
ThatGuy22
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And when the games mattered, in the playoffs. What happened? 3 forwards with zero points, got more ice time. Rossi stepped up scoring 2 big goals, and no adjustment.
MrRuin
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Yeah because he was healthy, available and reliable. As soon as forwards started to get healthy his minutes got reduced almost instantly, his role was diminished.
Culminating in the „playoff saga“ which was just the icing on the cake on how it developed and made the double standards of the coaching staff obvious.
And please don’t forget he is a second year player. The term „sophomore slump“ exists for a reason. He worked his way out of it towards the end of the season and got rewarded with…a spot on the 4th line come the playoffs.
But again: we know very little about what is going on in these negotiations. Calling anyone stupid based on articles from beat writers is a little presumptuous.
