Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Dr Jan Itor]

They cited the playoff usage as the reason it doesn’t make sense for Rossi. Like, yeah, let’s ignore the 82 game season where you were the top 5v5 center pretty much all year and go with the 5-6 game sample size as the proof of what your role is.

This is the player version of the “3 good months” comment by Guerin. Yet, nobody is going to react to this like how they reacted to Guerin making that comment.

It's not just playoff usage. It's that + Guerin saying publicly that he's looking for a center in free agency, and that they see Yurov as a center. It doesn't take much to do the math there.

Sure they could start Yurov in Iowa, but thats still a shot at him ending up behind the UFA center with Johansson and Foligno on the 3rd line if they pick up Duchene now.

 

[AKL]

It's not just playoff usage. It's that + Guerin saying publicly that he's looking for a center in free agency, and that they see Yurov as a center. It doesn't take much to do the math there.

Sure they could start Yurov in Iowa, but thats still a shot at him ending up behind the UFA center with Johansson and Foligno on the 3rd line if they pick up Duchene now.

It's this meme irl

 

[Wabit]

It's this meme irl

This meme bothers me. Where did the spokes on the rear tire go?

 

[AKL]

This meme bothers me. Where did the spokes on the rear tire go?

Front spokes are gone too, unimportant minor detail though

 

[DigitalBoldy]

It's not just playoff usage. It's that + Guerin saying publicly that he's looking for a center in free agency, and that they see Yurov as a center. It doesn't take much to do the math there.

Sure they could start Yurov in Iowa, but thats still a shot at him ending up behind the UFA center with Johansson and Foligno on the 3rd line if they pick up Duchene now.

The article only stated the playoff usage as the reason from the agent.

 

[Wabit]

Front spokes are gone too, unimportant minor detail though

The stick could have taken out the front spokes is at least a somewhat reasonable explanation.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

What we’re hearing about a Marco Rossi trade, potential destinations and return

Which teams could be "screaming" for him? What could the return be? Here's the latest on the No. 2 player on The Athletic's trade board.

www.nytimes.com

There was another call between the sides on Tuesday, per league sources, and Rossi’s agent, Ian Pulver, reiterated that a bridge deal no longer makes sense for Rossi after he was buried on the fourth line in the playoffs.

 

[AKL]

The stick could have taken out the front spokes is at least a somewhat reasonable explanation.

Maybe the lack of a reasonable explanation is the perfect allegory here

 

[Spurgeon]

Wild fans focus on the silliest reasons. The real problem is that he is a one dimensional player. If Rossi was an effective penalty killer, he would have been signed to that 7x7 already.

Nobody on this team is an effective penalty killer

 

[Wabit]

Nobody on this team is an effective penalty killer

The PK problems seem as much a system/coaching issue as it is a player issue.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Nobody on this team is an effective penalty killer

False. Boldy is a fantastic penalty killer.

 

[Spurgeon]

False. Boldy is a fantastic penalty killer.

Was he actually though? 7 GA in 32 minutes of PK TOI according to Natural Stat Trick.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

What we’re hearing about a Marco Rossi trade, potential destinations and return

Which teams could be "screaming" for him? What could the return be? Here's the latest on the No. 2 player on The Athletic's trade board.

www.nytimes.com

Btw, here are the proposed ideas (excerpts are from the other team’s writers):

Vancouver:
#15 + Mancini/Mynio/Hoglander/Silovs/Bleuger (our pick)

Philadelphia:
Late 1st or Bobby Brink (LOL, f*** off Philly)

Buffalo:
JJ Peterka is “too much”
Bowen Byram “seems appropriate” (me: eye roll)
Jack Quinn +
1st (#9)

Carolina:
Late 1st “and go from there”

Calgary:
Didn’t really mention an offer, but something along the lines of:
Player + pick/prospect sweetener
Names mentioned are Sharangovich, Kadri and Andersson

Utah:
1st (#4) (mentions it’s available for top 6 help, but not sure if it is for Rossi)

Winnipeg:
1st + Lambert/Barlow

 

[f7ben]

I’d take Jack Quinn plus

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Was he actually though? 7 GA in 32 minutes of PK TOI according to Natural Stat Trick.

I seem to recall LaPanta or Russo saying the Wild were 8th in the league in the time frame after they traded Khusnutdinov/Lauko and put Boldy on the PK.

If you set the date of March 1st to the end of the season, he only gave up 2 goals in 24 minutes of PK time.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I’d take Jack Quinn plus

The plus would need to be hefty for me to consider that. I do think Quinn is a great buy low target.

 

[AKL]

Btw, here are the proposed ideas (excerpts are from the other team’s writers):

Vancouver:
#15 + Mancini/Mynio/Hoglander/Silovs/Bleuger (our pick)

Philadelphia:
Late 1st or Bobby Brink (LOL, f*** off Philly)

Buffalo:
JJ Peterka is “too much”
Bowen Byram “seems appropriate” (me: eye roll)
Jack Quinn +
1st (#9)

Carolina:
Late 1st “and go from there”

Calgary:
Didn’t really mention an offer, but something along the lines of:
Player + pick/prospect sweetener
Names mentioned are Sharangovich, Kadri and Andersson

Utah:
1st (#4) (mentions it’s available for top 6 help, but not sure if it is for Rossi)

Winnipeg:
1st + Lambert/Barlow

IMO:

Vancouver and Philadelphia are out

Really don't agree that Peterka is too much, still like that deal 1 for 1
Jack Quinn+ could be palatable depending on the +
9oa would be pretty underwhelming

Carolina is out, Calgary is out

What happened to Lambert's production this year? I'd probably avoid him just because he seems unreliable, boom or bust
1st and Colby Barlow could be interesting, I've always liked his game, think he's basically a lock to be at least a middle six scorer, his game should translate easily

If 4oa is on the table, I'm taking that and running, even if we have to add a bit. That's how you get a 1C. That's the only one of these deals that gives us a fighting chance at a 1C.

 

[f7ben]

The plus would need to be hefty for me to consider that. I do think Quinn is a great buy low target.

I think this is the year that kid is healthy and blows up.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Btw, here are the proposed ideas (excerpts are from the other team’s writers):

Vancouver:
#15 + Mancini/Mynio/Hoglander/Silovs/Bleuger (our pick)

Philadelphia:
Late 1st or Bobby Brink (LOL, f*** off Philly)

Buffalo:
JJ Peterka is “too much”
Bowen Byram “seems appropriate” (me: eye roll)
Jack Quinn +
1st (#9)

Carolina:
Late 1st “and go from there”

Calgary:
Didn’t really mention an offer, but something along the lines of:
Player + pick/prospect sweetener
Names mentioned are Sharangovich, Kadri and Andersson

Utah:
1st (#4) (mentions it’s available for top 6 help, but not sure if it is for Rossi)

Winnipeg:
1st + Lambert/Barlow

Would probably prefer 9OA if this is what the offers are. However, if Guering doesn't have a good way to plug the middle six center whole he's creating I don't love the idea. Relying on Yurov to be the guy this year seems negligent as well. I like the idea of moving Rossi if you get a good deal and have a good way to spend the money. Not sure I see that right now.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

IMO:

Vancouver and Philadelphia are out

Really don't agree that Peterka is too much, still like that deal 1 for 1
Jack Quinn+ could be palatable depending on the +
9oa would be pretty underwhelming

Carolina is out, Calgary is out

What happened to Lambert's production this year? I'd probably avoid him just because he seems unreliable, boom or bust
1st and Colby Barlow could be interesting, I've always liked his game, think he's basically a lock to be at least a middle six scorer, his game should translate easily

If 4oa is on the table, I'm taking that and running, even if we have to add a bit. That's how you get a 1C. That's the only one of these deals that gives us a fighting chance at a 1C.

Peterka seems like the perfect 1-for-1 candidate. I'm not sure there is another player in the NHL that is a better fit in a 1-for-1 type trade for Rossi.

#9 depends on who is available. Roger McQueen would certainly confirm that it really was all about Rossi's size to Guerin.

1st+Barlow follows the same as Fiala for 1st+Faber. Could be a solid return. I wouldn't include Lambert. 7 goals in 61 AHL games is quite concerning and he was -30.

I would be extremely happy with the #4 overall pick. Any one of Misa/Hagens/Desnoyers/Frondell/Martone would be amazing.

I think this is the year that kid is healthy and blows up.

Definitely think he will be much better, but how do we bridge the gap between the two?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I know @DigitalBoldy tossed out 6 x $6M as the compromise between Guerin's 5 x $5M and Rossi's 7 x $7M, but I'm wondering if the real compromise isn't something more like 8 x $5.875M.

Guerin pays Rossi a league minimum player equivalent more than he wants to on the per year basis, but gets Rossi in under $6M. Rossi remains a very tradable asset at that contract, if necessary. It's also essentially equal to Eriksson Ek's deal with cap inflation; Ek only paced 44 points that year (Covid-shortened), but you could say that gap is made up defensively. So it's somewhat logically defensible.

Rossi gets within $2M of his total $ ask on his 7 year request. The 8 vs. 7 years doesn't really effect Rossi on his next contract, since even a 7 year deal means he'll turn 31 early into the first year, so it's really just a 31 vs. 32 thing. Even though it's counter-intuitive that the cap hit goes down going up year, maybe that's just the cost of being short.

Just a thought. Both sides buckle pretty hard, Guerin on the years, Rossi on the per year average, but get what each probably want most. And there's still $7-$8M to play with on July 1. Could still maybe pick up somebody like Duchene, if we wanted.

Kaprizov - Ek - Boldy
Duchene - Rossi - Ohgren
Zuccarello - Yurov - Hartman
Foligno - Gaudreau - Trenin

Or probably more like this:

Kaprizov - Ek - Zuccarello
Duchene - Rossi - Boldy
Foligno - Yurov - Hartman
Ohgren - Gaudreau - Trenin

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Definitely think he will be much better, but how do we bridge the gap between the two?

They add #9, we add our 2nd.

 

[AKL]

Peterka seems like the perfect 1-for-1 candidate. I'm not sure there is another player in the NHL that is a better fit in a 1-for-1 type trade for Rossi.

#9 depends on who is available. Roger McQueen would certainly confirm that it really was all about Rossi's size to Guerin.

1st+Barlow follows the same as Fiala for 1st+Faber. Could be a solid return. I wouldn't include Lambert. 7 goals in 61 AHL games is quite concerning and he was -30.

I would be extremely happy with the #4 overall pick. Any one of Misa/Hagens/Desnoyers/Frondell/Martone would be amazing.

As I'm sitting here thinking, if you were Guerin, can you justify making the team worse this year by trading a 23 year old center who just scored 60 points? Can you justify trading that for something like a 1st+Barlow, assets who won't make an impact for 2+ years and most likely will never make the impact Rossi can? In a year where the dead cap has fallen off and you've spent 4+ years building to, the last year to try to get Kaprizov to stay, what would you have to do to justify actively making your roster worse this year for almost no reason?

I think the deal has to be something like Peterka 1 for 1, or you have to get an NHL ready young player/prospect you can convince everyone is going to be better than Rossi this year, or you have to have already signed someone like Tavares or Marner.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Would probably prefer 9OA if this is what the offers are. However, if Guering doesn't have a good way to plug the middle six center whole he's creating I don't love the idea. Relying on Yurov to be the guy this year seems negligent as well. I like the idea of moving Rossi if you get a good deal and have a good way to spend the money. Not sure I see that right now.

I'm wondering if they think Hartman can be the 2C... That's a wild thought (pun intended).

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I know @DigitalBoldy tossed out 6 x $6M as the compromise between Guerin's 5 x $5M and Rossi's 7 x $7M, but I'm wondering if the real compromise isn't something more like 8 x $5.875M.

Guerin pays Rossi a league minimum player equivalent more than he wants to on the per year basis, but gets Rossi in under $6M. Rossi remains a very tradable asset at that contract, if necessary. It's also essentially equal to Eriksson Ek's deal with cap inflation; Ek only paced 44 points that year (Covid-shortened), but you could say that gap is made up defensively. So it's somewhat logically defensible.

Rossi gets within $2M of his total $ ask on his 7 year request. The 8 vs. 7 years doesn't really effect Rossi on his next contract, since even a 7 year deal means he'll turn 31 early into the first year, so it's really just a 31 vs. 32 thing. Even though it's counter-intuitive that the cap hit goes down going up year, maybe that's just the cost of being short.

Just a thought. Both sides buckle, Guerin on the years, Rossi on the per year average. And there's still $7-$8M to play with on July 1. Could still maybe pick up somebody like Duchene, if we wanted.

Guerin likes nice, simple numbers. Make it 8 x $6M. Rossi locks in $48M and the Wild should be happy with the yearly number. I guess it depends on if Rossi thinks his yearly salary should be higher.

I'm all for a deal like this.