Player Discussion Marco Rossi
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It's nice that Rossi scored 60 points and was the team's 2nd leading scorer, but who is he to block budding superstar Freddy Gaudreau from playing above him?
The consequences of Hynes's lineup decision for that glorious 6 game playoff run will be felt for years.
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Idk, I guess I just have a hard time seeing any big name free agent come here. I know we have the money, but I don't see the appeal for a guy coming off back to back to back Cup finals appearances. But then again, maybe if Florida wins it again, two Cups is enough and he'll just want the money.
Not exactly the type of situation I wanna sign a guy in lol. Caring more about the money because he's already won.
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I like Quinn and Hayton as good and realistic choices. Tack on a high 2nd rounder to either of them (or players of equal value like Skahan, Kleber). I love Rossi but if the team is'nt going to embrace him, then it is what it is. Getting a young 40pt player (potential to be 50-60pts) with a B prospect + cap space is a pretty good deal
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No I absolutely believe they care about money, it would be naive not to. They have maybe 10-15 years to build wealth that lasts for the rest of their lives and ideally that of their progeny, they should care about the money. I just don't enjoy the idea of only getting a guy because we overpaid him the most. And I'd hope a guy with an offer of 11m and 10.5m would choose the better team with money being relatively close. But maybe I'm naive there and that 500k per year makes all the difference.
I won't flip a table if they give Bennett 10M a year, he's a good player, but it will solidify the idea that this team isn't winning anything under Guerin for me.
From March 1st to the end of the season, he had points in 7 of 22 games. Johansson had points in 11 of 21 games in that same time frame and most cannot stand that he was in a top 6 role.
That’s not the case IMO. It’s backwards of that. People are openly mad that Rossi was held accountable for playing poorly. If Rossi plays like crap he should be demoted. Same with everyone else. If there are people that are not, then we should be more mad that they are not held accountable instead of calling for Rossi not to be held accountable.
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Nobody is claiming he was good in March. Certainly wasn't 2 months though. It was, quite literally, 1 month.
He had a very good 60 games, then a bad 15 games, and then a decently good 7 games. That was his season.
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Because no one else is... If you're not going to hold guys like Zuccarello, Johansson, Gaudreau, etc accountable all season because you think they need to maintain their minutes and linemates to turn it around, don't suddenly change that philosophy with Rossi.
I don't disagree, plenty of people were calling for certain guys to be demoted all season and they weren't.
No one is mad about Rossi being held accountable, they're mad at the double standard that seems to exist, and that Rossi is the primary "victim" for lack of a better word.
Although I will concede that Hartman is also held accountable, it's not just Rossi.
But Zuccarello has never been held accountable in his six seasons here despite being a downright liability at times. Gaudreau maintains his role and ice time when he's on a 5 points in 27 game run. Johansson couldn't be moved off the second line with the jaws of life for whatever reason. And in the playoffs that exact thing was on full display for anyone who watched. Rossi got demoted, fair enough, he wasn't good to start the series. By the end of the series he was much better, and most of the bottom 9 was horrible, but there were minimal changes in role.
If everyone was held accountable the way Rossi is, no one would be upset when Rossi is held accountable.
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From November 30th, to January 2nd, Boldy had 7 points in 16 games and was never demoted as far I can recall.
Nelson was a good fit here and that contract was reasonable. Perhaps more importantly, signing him would’ve allowed us to move Rossi for a wing or a high pick. Now, he either has to be resigned or moved for a C.
Hope the people rejoicing over missing on Nelson like Hartman, because he could very well be our 2C in the most important season in franchise history.
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Also, for the record, when a guy scores 21 goals and 51 points in 60 games, and then has a bad 15 game stretch, I think he should get more grace in the top 6 than a guy who scored 11 goals and 34 points in the entire season. Maybe that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, maybe that's a different double standard, but at least it's a logical, merit based standard.
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If Rossi has to be re-signed or moved for a C, why would Hartman be the 2C? Rossi, Eriksson Ek or the guy Rossi is traded for would be the 2C...
Totally agree. It’s the “I can’t believe they played him on the 4th line in the playoffs” sayings that I feel are misremembering what led up to that. There’s also an argument that the reason he wasn’t demoted out of the top 6 during the last two months of the regular season is because they had no one else to fill the top 6 role with Ek out and Hartman in the doghouse post suspension. I also feel like having no else as a top 6 center played a part in him getting injured. Look at his time on ice early in the season when he was on the 1st line with Kap/Zucc. 16-18 minutes per game pretty consistently. Second half he is playing 20+ minutes per game fairly often.
Minnesota Wild have never had a 23yo or younger 60 pt. C in their 25 year existence. We finally get one, and Hynes/Guerin decides it's time to demote/trade him.
No wonder we are mediocre.
No wonder we are mediocre.
Can’t get on board with saying Rossi is a victim. I can get on board with saying the team is a victim if guys like Johansson or Zucc keep spots in the top 6 they don’t deserve. But even then, I think the reason guys like Johansson and Zucc are not demoted is because our winger depth has been awful. It’s the same reason Rossi wasn’t demoted until Eriksson Ek was back and Hartman was playing really well. A demotion only truly works if there is a player worth putting above said player’s poor play.
Gaudreau has definitely been held accountable for poor play. Look no further than the 23-24 season.
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I'm not necessarily trying to paint Rossi as a victim, because he does need to play better to not even give the coaches the opportunity to demote him. It wasn't the best choice of words and I admitted that.
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