Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Wabit]

Is that an actual thing you can bet on?

It seems so. There seems to be a means to bet on almost anything now. It seems like a prop bet of some sort to me.

 

[ctmagic]

Would love Wright on this team.

I feel like Quinn is about to pop

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The Pettersson speculation is intriguing. But I don’t have any idea how the Wild could acquire him and sign any other free agent unless Brodin, Spurgeon or Hartman are sent packing to clear cap space. The Wild don’t need to spend to the limit. Need to keep $2-3M available for flexibility. If I’m Vancouver, I’m not eating any of that $11.6M.

They wouldn't be able to acquire anybody else, nor would they really need to.

It would be pretty highly dependent on Vancouver just wanting out of the Pettersson business and the potential downside that contract has. We would be betting on the potential upside.

 

[MNRube]

Rossi + Brodin for McCann + Oleksiak + picks

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Rossi + Brodin for McCann + Oleksiak + picks

Brodin is better than Oleksiak, Oleksiak also has no trade or no movement and was given an extension. McCann isn't a Center

 

[MNRube]

Brodin is better than Oleksiak, Oleksiak also has no trade or no movement and was given an extension. McCann isn't a Center

Yeah, with Nelson off the market, I think you either have to resign Rossi or trade him for another C. I still think both players would be really good fits here.

 

[Arturia Pendragon]

The more I think about the Rossi situation, the more awkward it appears to be…

It’s just cringe… weird… to demote a player for his performance in the playoffs; to openly admit to the league you aren’t pleased with his performance… to then enter trade conversations selling other GM’s on why they could do differently? Why they could win with Rossi?

If it’s a matter stylistically building a team for the playoffs that you like, then fine, whatever I guess… but you’re still putting yourself in the awkward position of saying why you don’t want Rossi, and why the other GM does. And not only that, why the other GM should trade you a player that you are clearly interested in because of your stylistic vision.

BG better hope there are GM’s calling him about Rossi, and a good number of them too, because you can’t possibly expect to be proactive in your approach given this situation.

And with Nelson signed now? Lol, I really can’t wait to see how tough guy Guerin navigates this.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Rossi on unconditional waivers this morning for refusing to sign the Nelson contract.

 

[MNRube]

The more I think about the Rossi situation, the more awkward it appears to be…

It’s just cringe… weird… to demote a player for his performance in the playoffs; to openly admit to the league you aren’t pleased with his performance… to then enter trade conversations selling other GM’s on why they could do differently? Why they could win with Rossi?

If it’s a matter stylistically building a team for the playoffs that you like, then fine, whatever I guess… but you’re still putting yourself in the awkward position of saying why you don’t want Rossi, and why the other GM does. And not only that, why the other GM should trade you a player that you are clearly interested in because of your stylistic vision.

BG better hope there are GM’s calling him about Rossi, and a good number of them too, because you can’t possibly expect to be proactive in your approach given this situation.

And with Nelson signed now? Lol, I really can’t wait to see how tough guy Guerin navigates this.

It is definitely bizarre. If Rossi’s camp is able to see that it’s not just Guerin who is wary of that type of commitment to a C with his size, it may convince them to resign at a more team-friendly deal. But who knows, maybe there is a team out there who will offer sheet him at the rumored 7x7 deal his camp covets.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It is definitely bizarre. If Rossi’s camp is able to see that it’s not just Guerin who is wary of that type of commitment to a C with his size, it may convince them to resign at a more team-friendly deal. But who knows, maybe there is a team out there who will offer sheet him at the rumored 7x7 deal his camp covets.

Won't offer sheet 7 x $7M since that'll kick it up to the next tier.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

The more I think about the Rossi situation, the more awkward it appears to be…

It’s just cringe… weird… to demote a player for his performance in the playoffs; to openly admit to the league you aren’t pleased with his performance… to then enter trade conversations selling other GM’s on why they could do differently? Why they could win with Rossi?

Demoted for roughly 5 games after 2 months of non-top 6 level play. The same people who blow their lid over this are the same people who blow their lid over other players not being held accountable for their play (think Johansson in the top 6).

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Demoted for roughly 5 games after 2 months of non-top 6 level play. The same people who blow their lid over this are the same people who blow their lid over other players not being held accountable for their play (think Johansson in the top 6).

It was 1 month. 15 games. Essentially exclusively the month of March.

February: 5 points in 8 games
March: 4 points in 15 games
April: 5 points in 7 games.

 

[AKL]

The same people who blow their lid over this are the same people who blow their lid over other players not being held accountable for their play (think Johansson in the top 6).

Right, people are mad that no one else is held accountable the same way Rossi is...

Besides, that post you quoted was about how it's weird to openly fight against Rossi while simultaneously trying to trade him for full value, not about how it's weird to demote him for poor play.

Both of those points make complete logical sense. But you're only focused on the demotion part, and think people are mad that he got demoted at all, in a vacuum.

 

[itchy]

Demoted for roughly 5 games after 2 months of non-top 6 level play. The same people who blow their lid over this are the same people who blow their lid over other players not being held accountable for their play (think Johansson in the top 6).

I think everyone understood the demotion but then even after he scored and other lines did worse he wasn't promoted. They said that the 4th line did well so they don't want to change anything but still they were given low minutes. Look at the playoff numbers. Same points as JEE, 2nd best FO% of the centers. So it's not like he was totally lost.

 

[itchy]

And I am aware he had to face easier opponents but he also had worse line mates.

 

[BagHead]

Won't offer sheet 7 x $7M since that'll kick it up to the next tier.

The next tier starts at just a shade over $7.02 million. I think a team might offer him right up to that cap hit without going over in order to make Rossi want to sign it and let them keep their 2nd round pick. Personally, I'd rather have Rossi at $7 million per year than a mid to late 1st (unprotected only matters if he's on a bad team, which will probably be improved with him on it) and a similarly poor 3rd, but not everyone feels that way and I am aware that I'm not necessarily right - I can't see the future.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Guerin's office and hear what alternatives he's been entertaining.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The next tier starts at just a shade over $7.02 million. I think a team might offer him right up to that cap hit without going over in order to make Rossi want to sign it and let them keep their 2nd round pick. Personally, I'd rather have Rossi at $7 million per year than a mid to late 1st (unprotected only matters if he's on a bad team, which will probably be improved with him on it) and a similarly poor 3rd, but not everyone feels that way and I am aware that I'm not necessarily right - I can't see the future.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Guerin's office and hear what alternatives he's been entertaining.

Right, but if they do 7 x $7M, it's actually $9.8M for offersheet compensation purposes, which would be 2 1sts + 2nd + 3rd.

It's the 7 years that inflating it. 5 x $7M would just be the 1st + 3rd.

 

[BagHead]

Right, but if they do 7 x $7M, it's actually $9.8M for offersheet compensation purposes, which would be 2 1sts + 2nd + 3rd.

It's the 7 years that inflating it. 5 x $7M would just be the 1st + 3rd.

Wait, how does that work? This is not something I was familiar with.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Wait, how does that work? This is not something I was familiar with.

Any offer sheet that exceeds 5 years in length, the total $ value of the offer is divided by 5 to get the compensation amount.

 

[AKL]

Any offer sheet that exceeds 5 years in length, the total $ value of the offer is divided by 5 to get the compensation amount.

I thought this was the case but I couldn't find anything explaining that.

I still see a 5x7 offer as something Rossi would accept, and Guerin wouldn't match.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I thought this was the case but I couldn't find anything explaining that.

I still see a 5x7 offer as something Rossi would accept, and Guerin wouldn't match.

I think you could even call his bluff a little closer to $6M. Though maybe the equation has changed with Nelson off the board.

 

[BagHead]

Any offer sheet that exceeds 5 years in length, the total $ value of the offer is divided by 5 to get the compensation amount.

Oh dang, I did not see that before. Good call! Well, that changes things a little bit. I'd bet he'd be ok with 5 years at that AAV, though, so what I meant mostly stands: a team will probably be willing to sign him to the max they can to remain in that tier.

I guess the question then becomes "is Guerin more likely to match if the term was 5 years instead of 7?" I would think so, but I'm not sure.

 

[AKL]

I think you could even call his bluff a little closer to $6M. Though maybe the equation has changed with Nelson off the board.

I've always seen Guerin as the type to make the move he wants to make regardless of circumstance, so as much as I think Nelson getting signed should change the calculus, if Guerin doesn't see Rossi as a fit, I think he's still just as set on his methods.

Again, one of those qualities that isn't necessarily a bad thing for a GM to have, IF your player and roster evaluation abilities are good.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Oh dang, I did not see that before. Good call! Well, that changes things a little bit. I'd bet he'd be ok with 5 years at that AAV, though, so what I meant mostly stands: a team will probably be willing to sign him to the max they can to remain in that tier.

I guess the question then becomes "is Guerin more likely to match if the term was 5 years instead of 7?" I would think so, but I'm not sure.

Yeah, I really don't even have a guess as to which part of 7 x $7M scares him off the most, the 7 or $7M.

 

[57special]

So in other words, an OS of 7x 6.5M would be a cap hit of 9M for compensation purposes.