Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Wabit]

Boldy, Kap, Faber, Ek would all be ‘top five picks’ in a redraft.

Kap: maybe. TBF it was a deep draft class with McDavid at the top.
Faber: Maybe
JEE: not even close (same draft class as Kap)
Boldy: yes

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Agreed, although I could see him still hitting 60 pts as a 2c getting 18:00 TOI and pp2.

Same. I’m pretty skeptical that Rossi is a 70-80+ point player unless he is attached to Kaprizov for all 82 games. What’s the value of a 2C that scores 60, but doesn’t contribute in a major way to the team’s penalty kill or top power play?

The problem with Rossi is that he’s not contributing or deployed like 2Cs on contenders.

 

[AKL]

Kap: maybe. TBF it was a deep draft class with McDavid at the top.
Faber: Maybe
JEE: not even close (same draft class as Kap)
Boldy: yes

I have Kaprizov at 2 or 3 depending on how much you like Eichel.
Eriksson Ek might be top 10, maybe. Think he's starting to become a little overrated around here.
Boldy is 2 or 3 depending on your opinion of Seider and RHD
Faber is a toss up

But it's kind of a useless way of looking at things. Eriksson Ek may go top 10 in a redraft, but he's a middle 6 center, not a first line center. Faber may even go top 5 in a redraft but he's a 2/3 D, not a 1D. Kaprizov and Boldy are both first liners, and could be part of a winning team, but the team is still missing the 1C it needs ahead of Ek, and it's still missing at least 2 other top six wingers.

The point of getting the top 5 picks has always been to get the elite talent that is usually much harder to find outside the top 5, not just having a top 5 pick. Even if a few of our guys go top 5 in a redraft, we don't have enough of the talent, including talented depth, to compete for a Cup.

 

[AKL]

Same. I’m pretty skeptical that Rossi is a 70-80+ point player unless he is attached to Kaprizov for all 82 games. What’s the value of a 2C that scores 60, but doesn’t contribute in a major way to the team’s penalty kill or top power play?

The problem with Rossi is that he’s not contributing or deployed like 2Cs on contenders.

If he gets 80+ on the first line without much time on the top PP, I would say you're looking for issues where there aren't any.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Same. I’m pretty skeptical that Rossi is a 70-80+ point player unless he is attached to Kaprizov for all 82 games. What’s the value of a 2C that scores 60, but doesn’t contribute in a major way to the team’s penalty kill or top power play?

The problem with Rossi is that he’s not contributing or deployed like 2Cs on contenders.

Pretty sure he'd be next in line for Zuccarello's spot on the top PP.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Pretty sure he'd be next in line for Zuccarello's spot on the top PP.

Maybe. A lot can happen in the next year.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Maybe. A lot can happen in the next year.

2nd behind Kaprizov in PP P/60 this year.

 

[north21]

Faber isn't for sure either. Stutzle, Raymond, Jarvis and Sanderson all go before him. After that there are some preference picks you can make that include Faber. I know we like to think he's a 1D because he plays a lot of minutes, but he's basically just right handed Brodin at this point. And he wasn't even as good as that for the second half of this season.

Faber is at least in the conversation. I don't suspect he will ever be an offensive dynamo.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

2nd behind Kaprizov in PP P/60 this year.

That is indeed a statistic.

I’m not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is you never know what will happen in the next year. Maybe Heidt is a better fit for the power play with his passing ability in a year’s time. We just don’t know.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

The Wild are clearly talented but how often have they lost as the lower seeded team? Most of the time. These first round exits aren’t surprises, they aren’t good enough.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Rossi is only a 70-80 pt player if Kaprizov takes him there.

 

[north21]

The Wild are clearly talented but how often have they lost as the lower seeded team? Most of the time. These first round exits aren’t surprises, they aren’t good enough.

Maybe we can find a young 60pt center who can grow into a ppg player.

 

[Circulartheory]

I've just been thinking all off-season and this reminds me of the Granlund situation. We loved the guy, he had 3 seasons of ~60pts as a young center that we needed. But the Wild GM wanted a different look and didn't feel he was worth his commanding contract (already signed to 5.75 AAV and was going to ask more the year after).

Straight up, we got Fiala - still on ELC, 2 seasons of 40pts.

It's an interesting idea because if we can get something similar, we bring in a talented forward but also get the extra cap space to spend on free agents. Both get better and a cheaper offensive forward. Plus Rossi is younger than Granlund at the time so we might be able to squeeze out more

But who fits that bill? Peterka doesn't really as he's already going to command a huge raise now.

 

[ctmagic]

I've just been thinking all off-season and this reminds me of the Granlund situation. We loved the guy, he had 3 seasons of ~60pts as a young center that we needed. But the Wild GM wanted a different look and didn't feel he was worth his commanding contract (already signed to 5.75 AAV and was going to ask more the year after).

Straight up, we got Fiala - still on ELC, 2 seasons of 40pts.

It's an interesting idea because if we can get something similar, we bring in a talented forward but also get the extra cap space to spend on free agents. Both get better and a cheaper offensive forward. Plus Rossi is younger than Granlund at the time so we might be able to squeeze out more

But who fits that bill? Peterka doesn't really as he's already going to command a huge raise now.

Quinn, Geekie, Voronkov, Cuylle, Foerster, Zegras, Wright, Berniers, Mercer

 

[Spurgeon]

I've just been thinking all off-season and this reminds me of the Granlund situation. We loved the guy, he had 3 seasons of ~60pts as a young center that we needed. But the Wild GM wanted a different look and didn't feel he was worth his commanding contract (already signed to 5.75 AAV and was going to ask more the year after).

Straight up, we got Fiala - still on ELC, 2 seasons of 40pts.

It's an interesting idea because if we can get something similar, we bring in a talented forward but also get the extra cap space to spend on free agents. Both get better and a cheaper offensive forward. Plus Rossi is younger than Granlund at the time so we might be able to squeeze out more

But who fits that bill? Peterka doesn't really as he's already going to command a huge raise now.

I like Hayton as a target in a trade like that. It accomplishes BG’s goal of getting stronger down the middle, especially in terms of FO%. It then leaves them just enough cap space for a big signing like Marner.

If Pettersson is actually available from Vancouver though, I’d make a strong push for him in a Rossi trade & then maybe bring in Boeser.

 

[AKL]

Quinn, Geekie, Voronkov, Cuylle, Foerster, Zegras, Wright, Berniers, Mercer

Beniers is already at 7.1, Zegras is at 5.75

 

[AKL]

I like Hayton as a target in a trade like that. It accomplishes BG’s goal of getting stronger down the middle, especially in terms of FO%. It then leaves them just enough cap space for a big signing like Marner.

Y'all would be really disappointed in Hayton if they traded Rossi for him. That's a last resort move, not a first choice.

 

[AKL]

I'm not sure I buy that they'll actually move it, but if Utah really is shopping the 4th pick for a young top six forward, and Rossi's already been linked there because of his relationship with Tourigny, that would be the way to go. I'm not sure what we'd have to add to Rossi to get it, but I'd really explore that one. Seems like there should be at least one good center there.

 

[Spurgeon]

Y'all would be really disappointed in Hayton if they traded Rossi for him. That's a last resort move, not a first choice.

Would want him as our 3C mainly. With the idea of the contract being just cheap enough where they could actually make a play for Marner. That would be the scenario where I’d be happy with it. I wouldn’t like that being the move & then bringing in Boeser though.

Regardless of the “tampering” rules, I think GMs have a pretty good idea prior to the FA period if they’d be able to actually bring in a player like Marner.

I'm not sure I buy that they'll actually move it, but if Utah really is shopping the 4th pick for a young top six forward, and Rossi's already been linked there because of his relationship with Tourigny, that would be the way to go. I'm not sure what we'd have to add to Rossi to get it, but I'd really explore that one. Seems like there should be at least one good center there.

Agree there 100%.

 

[Tally Tiger Shark]

I like Hayton as a target in a trade like that. It accomplishes BG’s goal of getting stronger down the middle, especially in terms of FO%. It then leaves them just enough cap space for a big signing like Marner.

If Pettersson is actually available from Vancouver though, I’d make a strong push for him in a Rossi trade & then maybe bring in Boeser.

The Pettersson speculation is intriguing. But I don’t have any idea how the Wild could acquire him and sign any other free agent unless Brodin, Spurgeon or Hartman are sent packing to clear cap space. The Wild don’t need to spend to the limit. Need to keep $2-3M available for flexibility. If I’m Vancouver, I’m not eating any of that $11.6M.

 

[ctmagic]

The Pettersson speculation is intriguing. But I don’t have any idea how the Wild could acquire him and sign any other free agent unless Brodin, Spurgeon or Hartman are sent packing to clear cap space. The Wild don’t need to spend to the limit. Need to keep $2-3M available for flexibility. If I’m Vancouver, I’m not eating any of that $11.6M.

Rossi/Spurgeon/+

 

[Wabit]

Would want him as our 3C mainly. With the idea of the contract being just cheap enough where they could actually make a play for Marner. That would be the scenario where I’d be happy with it. I wouldn’t like that being the move & then bringing in Boeser though.

Regardless of the “tampering” rules, I think GMs have a pretty good idea prior to the FA period if they’d be able to actually bring in a player like Marner.

As far as the betting odds for where Marner signs, MN falls into the +6000 (max odds) group.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Quinn, Geekie, Voronkov, Cuylle, Foerster, Zegras, Wright, Berniers, Mercer

Would love Wright on this team.

 

[Spurgeon]

The Pettersson speculation is intriguing. But I don’t have any idea how the Wild could acquire him and sign any other free agent unless Brodin, Spurgeon or Hartman are sent packing to clear cap space. The Wild don’t need to spend to the limit. Need to keep $2-3M available for flexibility. If I’m Vancouver, I’m not eating any of that $11.6M.

If they found a way to move Trenin, they’d have $6.7M in cap space. That’s where I could see Boeser being a possibility if he really wanted to be close to home & would sign at a discount.

It’s very unlikely & you’re probably right that they’d just be bringing in a depth signing at most though. I do think $2-3M in cap space is unnecessary when you’re already carrying two extra skaters. I guess it is beneficial if they want to accumulate space for a TDL acquisition, but they’d probably only need around $1.5M for that.

 

[Spurgeon]

As far as the betting odds for where Marner signs, MN falls into the +6000 (max odds) group.

Is that an actual thing you can bet on?