At the Moment i think 8.5x8 like Faber is possible. On the other side with his value today Guerin will trade him away. Which teams would be considered?
Player Discussion Marco Rossi
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If Gustavsson continues to perform like this, I'm afraid the 8.3 million won't be enough for him alone
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For the sake of discussion, some sources think that cap could be around that next year, with it being over 100M in the year you're working in.
Dr Jan Itor
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That would seem to be very helpful, though that should mean that the estimated salaries would go up too.
This is why I'm not totally against 2-3 years for Rossi.
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Possibly slightly. I expect a Kaprizov contract to "reset the market". I don't expect that for Rossi. I think he still settles in at 8-8.5 on a long term deal.
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I like trying to sign him to the Boldy or Faber deal because by mid-way through the deal that contract will be a steal.
Dr Jan Itor
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That is a benefit, yes. I just don't know how good of an idea it is to have all of these contracts expiring when players are 29 years old. I wouldn't mind seeing a few key ones in the 25-32/33 range.
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I like signing the cornerstone guys to long term deals and being tight against the cap for the first few years, with the idea that you'll have more flexibility in the back half because the cap went up but their hits didn't. And if you do run into cap issues with Yurov, Buium, etc, worry about it then. Like Winnipeg did with Dubois, trading him for Vilardi, and now Vilardi is a better piece for them.
Rossi signing an 8 year deal right now would bring him to 31ish, no?
Rossi signing an 8 year deal right now would bring him to 31ish, no?
Dr Jan Itor
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Maybe Billy is waiting to contact his agent with the hope that Rossi keeps getting better and better leading to a higher price tag. This way the stubborn GM can hide behind the excuse that we simply can't afford him. "His agent was asking for too much," or "We have to use that money to keep Kaprizov."
His little backhanded way of getting what he wants without taking the blame for it. There is zero reason for him not to at least reach out to Rossi's agent right now to open the line of communication.
His little backhanded way of getting what he wants without taking the blame for it. There is zero reason for him not to at least reach out to Rossi's agent right now to open the line of communication.
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I'd be pretty surprised if there hasn't been any preliminary talks between Guerin and Rossi's agent.
Dr Jan Itor
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I'll admit, zero communication is a bit weird, but I don't think it HAS to get done midseason. Plenty of high profile RFA 2nd contracts get done the summer (and even the fall).
Brayden Point signed his 2nd contract on September 19th, right before the season it related to.
Kyle Connor signed his on September 28th.
Dylan Larkin signed his on August 10th.
Lucas Raymond signed his on September 16th.
Matt Tkachuk signed his on September 25th.
And on, and on.
Brayden Point signed his 2nd contract on September 19th, right before the season it related to.
Kyle Connor signed his on September 28th.
Dylan Larkin signed his on August 10th.
Lucas Raymond signed his on September 16th.
Matt Tkachuk signed his on September 25th.
And on, and on.
Having a hard time following criticizing the front office regarding Rossi to this point. For their part, they recognized where Rossi needed to focus and gave him the resources to realize his potential properly motivating him along the way. For their efforts they look like they are seeing the player they thought they drafted and it’s benefiting their team.
I don’t think this offseason made a ton of sense for either side to strike a deal without knowing what this season would look like. There’s a lot of RFAs to be playing in the league right now and very few that have signed a deal after the year started so again, not following the consternation. If he keeps playing and progressing the way he has he’ll get his deal by the offseason and he’ll still be on this roster. He’s not going away. The only reason he won’t be is because a player came available that is a clear upgrade that doesn’t come available and Rossi is what it takes. And in that case, that’s sport.
I guess I’m just going to enjoy where his game has come and benefit he is providing without inserting feelings that just do not matter…
I don’t think this offseason made a ton of sense for either side to strike a deal without knowing what this season would look like. There’s a lot of RFAs to be playing in the league right now and very few that have signed a deal after the year started so again, not following the consternation. If he keeps playing and progressing the way he has he’ll get his deal by the offseason and he’ll still be on this roster. He’s not going away. The only reason he won’t be is because a player came available that is a clear upgrade that doesn’t come available and Rossi is what it takes. And in that case, that’s sport.
I guess I’m just going to enjoy where his game has come and benefit he is providing without inserting feelings that just do not matter…
Dr Jan Itor
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I think it's just different than the last 2 high profile young players on this team: Faber done a full season in advance, Boldy done mid-season. Not to mention Zuccarello, Foligno and Hartman all done a full season in advance. Add to that some possible residual uneasiness about Russo putting Rossi in rumors for a year and that's probably where much of it comes from.
Understand. In Boldy and Faber cases, you have a full season seeing what was to come though. Rossi had a good year last year but not at that level and is showing a new gear this year.
Boldy’s contract came a bit out of nowhere around this time of year as I recall in large part because he agreed to sign to a deal that worked for him and was a no-brainer for the Wild. That can come together quickly for Rossi too but that is something the Rossi camp would need to feel comfortable with. I don’t necessarily see that as likely with his agent. They can prove me wrong though.
So a NHL All-Rookie-team nomination (20g, 40p) while being constantly misused by his former, stubborn headcoach is no reason to call somebodys agent for contract talks, one year before he becomes RFA.
Do I miss sarcasm here or is this serious?
There’s no rush until you understand where he’s at and where he’s headed when he still has another year of control and an RFA. This is the more common approach. This isn’t anything out of the norm.
Luceni is super pro Rossi on everything. Nothing is Rossi's fault. Rossi never needed to improve anything. Any bad moments were the result of a coach misusing him or a GM hating him or not getting PP1 time or etc etc etc.
I was one of the first User who wanted him down in Iowa when he got the first taste in the NHL 2 years ago.
I'm super critical on Rossi, I know that he's got lots areas to improve. But I'm not sure if you have realised that all Rossi did was improving and doing what the coaches wanted the last 2 years.
But what Evason did was just jerking around a young player to send a message to the team. Zucc, MaJo, etc played like crap too but noone of them had to play on the 4th line and fight their way back up. This is my opinion and I was relieved when he was fired.
All you do is looking for excuses why there has been not even a phone call from wilds management to Rossis agent. Now he gets more expensive every day and the offseasonn is gonna be interesting. Thats a situation Guerin could have impeded like he did with other pending UFAS/RFAS in the past.
Boldy is the the only player Guerin has signed prior to the offseason of needing a contract that was an upcoming RFA. And that still happened after where we are today in the season and he had a full season plus that half season producing at the rate Rossi is today.
That includes Kaprizov, Faber, JEE, and Gus. But tell us again why this is a problem.
That includes Kaprizov, Faber, JEE, and Gus. But tell us again why this is a problem.
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Dr Jan Itor
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I just hope your profession isn’t day trading with the advisement to buy at the current peak of Rossi’s very young career.
Do you ever stop to think that Rossi’s time with Foligno/Hartman drove him to learn how to create offense? He had to learn to do it instead of relying on someone else.
Do you ever stop to think maybe the reasons he was demoted this year isn’t because of his offense but because of his turnovers and “meh” defense? You blamed that on Hynes hating young players for months despite those demotions lasting a game at most when they did happen and still having 70%+ time on ice with Kaprizov at 5v5 overall.
You say the Wild should demote Zucc or Johansson, for who??? Idk if you noticed, but then you’d have Foligno or Hartman in the top 6 whom you were complaining about Rossi having to play with for a portion of last season! Like, make your statements make sense logically because to me you’re just pointing the finger at everyone but Rossi for the last 1.5 seasons.
My thoughts are that the 120 point forward that the Wild will need to negotiate a long term deal with this offseason is a more important priority at this time. We cannot assume that the cap will spike to $110M in 1.5 years from now. We need to know the ceiling for next year and operate from that number. That means we will likely need to negotiate a bridge deal for Rossi at a lower cost and those almost always happen in the offseason. A poster screaming that he should be signed long term now and “he is only going to cost more in the offseason” isn’t looking at the grand scheme of things. Bridge him and then give him the money from Hartman or Foligno expiring. It’s not that difficult.
