GDT: Marc Bergevin & coy Press Conference - 3pm RDS Info, RDS.ca

[Uber Coca]

Btw,

Anyone happen to notice that the Leafs just signed Patrick Marleau who would've been a great option for us at center? Just thought I'd ask...

While I understand the urgency for a center, not every player is one. Marleau is a winger.

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

Btw,

Anyone happen to notice that the Leafs just signed Patrick Marleau who would've been a great option for us at center? Just thought I'd ask...

Marleau hasn't played center in years.....

 

[Sorinth]

MB's selling points are the facilities the Habs have, the nostalgia of playing for a franchise with a lot of history and the ability to make an ordinary player into a hero.

Likewise. His disadvantages are the fact the players will make less money on an identical contract, the inability to go anywhere or do anything without everyone in the city knowing; the media, and the ability to of fans to crucify an ordinary player if they don't play well.

Well if he was better at his job he'd also have the advantage of being a contender with good odds to win the cup. And that happens to be one of the biggest factors for UFAs.

 

[MrNasty]

I think the Habs are contenders. Definitely top 10.
Chicago got swept in the 1st round but nobody says they are not contenders. And they pay 2 guys 10.5 M

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

There wasn't even one good coach available back then. I love to challenge people who bash MB for hiring MT with that question. Who else should he have signed ? No one good was available. Babcock, Quenneville, Vigneault, Julien, Sullivan, Boucher, Hartley (rushed to sign with Calgary), Hitchcock, Trotz, Tippett, Tortorella... none of them were available.

The choices were Crawford, Therrien, Q guys. You could have potentially maybe enticed Cooper a rookie anglo coach to sign with us but why would MB have done that ? And screw Cooper. I don't like him.

If you blame MB for his first coach hire you're uninformed or pushing an agenda.

You can blame MB for keeping him too long but the minute Julien was available he grabbed him. He was patient and waited for his guy. I can respect that.

EDIT: Besides, you know what, Therrien had good success with us early on. He was a good first signing for a coach. MB's problem is that he stuck by him forever. But MT wasn't all bad at the start.

Actually you can and should criticize him til the end of time for hiring that chain-smoking chimp as our coach as well as Lefebvre in the AHL and ruining the development of the meager prospects we had at the end; Galchenyuk: Ruined(Winger on a team with no depth at Center, but plays his lover-boy DD), Beaulieu: Ruined(No development over the entirety of his stay), Tinordi: Ruined (Because the neanderthal thought turning a hard hitting d-man with excellent speed into a fighter was smart).

The only two players that succeeded under this putrid organization were Gallagher and Frolunda product Lehkonen. There is no defense of MB anymore, you can either just be a blind fan or despise what he's done to this once great franchise. There's no in-between.

 

[Lshap]

Actually you can and should criticize him til the end of time for hiring that chain-smoking chimp as our coach as well as Lefebvre in the AHL and ruining the development of the meager prospects we had at the end; Galchenyuk: Ruined(Winger on a team with no depth at Center, but plays his lover-boy DD), Beaulieu: Ruined(No development over the entirety of his stay), Tinordi: Ruined (Because the neanderthal thought turning a hard hitting d-man with excellent speed into a fighter was smart).

The only two players that succeeded under this putrid organization were Gallagher and Frolunda product Lehkonen. There is no defense of MB anymore, you can either just be a blind fan or despise what he's done to this once great franchise. There's no in-between.

Sorry, but that's a terrible philosophy. The rest of us aren't obligated to share your rage and wave flags.

 

[417]

Sorry, but that's a terrible philosophy. The rest of us aren't obligated to share your rage and wave flags.

It's the Subban trade talking...it's so obvious

 

[Uncle Gary]

I think the Habs are contenders. Definitely top 10.
Chicago got swept in the 1st round but nobody says they are not contenders. And they pay 2 guys 10.5 M

As of right now the only category the Habs are top 10 in is goaltending. The defence has gotten worse and the forwards are about on par with where they were last season.

 

[LaP]

Sorry, but that's a terrible philosophy. The rest of us aren't obligated to share your rage and wave flags.

Nope you are not. But i hope if he's right about MB you'll admit you were wrong about MB when he'll say i told you so in 5 or 6 years. Because it's not what happened with Houle. Today you have a bunch of people who say i did not like Houle he was bad bla bla bla. The reality is well over 50% of the fans supported Houle to death until the very last minute. And most of those fans today are not willing to admit it. Today it's like everyone hated Houle. Was not the reality back then.

You think MB is fine. Great. It's your right. But if you're proven wrong in a couple of years please don't act like you knew and wanted him fired.

Personally i'm done with MB. I'm entering the i don't give a **** until he is fired mode like i did back in Houle days. I just hope i wont have to stay in this mode for as long as i did when Houle was there.

MB is better than Houle. Everyone is. But the situation to me is the same. We have a not good enough GM and most fans and media don't realize it. I might be wrong and if i am i'll admit it. But i think i'm right.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

I think the Habs are contenders. Definitely top 10.
Chicago got swept in the 1st round but nobody says they are not contenders. And they pay 2 guys 10.5 M

Contenders you say?

So the fact that right now the Habs depth at center is:

• Galchenyuk, who is appears to be grossly out of favor with management. I can't see "this" Habs lineup without him playing center. This franchise just doesn't have the bodies without making a trade.
• Danault who was a fantastic acquisition by MB but is he really a top6 Center? I am not against giving him a chance, but I believe in the philosophy to make these young players making under $1M to compete for these top roles. Sure Danault looked very good, but come playoffs his lack of play making vision killed that line.
• Plekanec... Will he be here on opening day? This is a concern as his last year was very bad.

I believe in Galchenyuk. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass and focus more on hockey. He needs to work on his defensive responsibilities and give the coaching staff no choice but to make him the #1 center. It's pathetic that he needs to be given that status without earning it because this management group has done a poor job creating internal competition for ice time.

Contenders you say?

Can you explain to me why the Habs scored only 11 goals on Lundqvist allowing him a sv% of 0.947 while the Senators lit him up for 18 goals and a 0.905 sv%?

The Senators were by far the most successful team in 2016-2017 earning 0.2565 (42 points) out of their 0.598 (98 points out of 164) in 2 or less goal games, yet won 3 out of 4 games against Lundqvist scoring 3 or more goals.

So was it Lundqvist that beat the Habs or was it the Habs that beat themselves because they lack a potent scoring attack?


Contenders you say?

So why is it that the Habs were the worst playoff team in scoring against other playoff teams? At 2.37 GPG against teams that made the playoffs, they are as far as 0.3 goals or 12.7% less than the closest team (Anaheim) that were able to successfully make it to the second round (tied with Calgary in fact at 2.67 AGFvPL). Teams between 2.37 and 2.67 were SJS and Boston, both 1st round exits.

Contenders you say?

Take a look at this thread where I compiled stats for the entire NHL. The Habs aren't a terrible team, in fact top10 is reasonable, but without scoring help, this team is not a contender.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Nope you are not. But i hope if he's right about MB you'll admit you were wrong about MB when he'll say i told you so in 5 or 6 years. Because it's not what happened with Houle. Today you have a bunch of people who say i did not like Houle he was bad bla bla bla. The reality is well over 50% of the fans supported Houle to death until the very last minute. And most of those fans today are not willing to admit it. Today it's like everyone hated Houle. Was not the reality back then.

You think MB is fine. Great. It's your right. But if you're proven wrong in a couple of years please don't act like you knew and wanted him fired.

Personally i'm done with MB. I'm entering the i don't give a **** until he is fired mode like i did back in Houle days. I just hope i wont have to stay in this mode for as long as i did when Houle was there.

MB is better than Houle. Everyone is. But the situation to me is the same. We have a not good enough GM and most fans and media don't realize it. I might be wrong and if i am i'll admit it. But i think i'm right.

LShap can answer for himself, however I have been in the same position as you accusing him as an MB defender, which he clearly isn't. He just isn't the type to walk outside with a pitchfork in one hand and a torch in the other looking for the head of Bergevin.

 

[jaffy27]

Actually you can and should criticize him til the end of time for hiring that chain-smoking chimp as our coach as well as Lefebvre in the AHL and ruining the development of the meager prospects we had at the end; Galchenyuk: Ruined(Winger on a team with no depth at Center, but plays his lover-boy DD), Beaulieu: Ruined(No development over the entirety of his stay), Tinordi: Ruined (Because the neanderthal thought turning a hard hitting d-man with excellent speed into a fighter was smart).

The only two players that succeeded under this putrid organization were Gallagher and Frolunda product Lehkonen. There is no defense of MB anymore, you can either just be a blind fan or despise what he's done to this once great franchise. There's no in-between.

Tinordi ruined......

Galchenyuk ruined........he's scored 30 goals and was a top 10 point getter in the NHL before getting hurt. Galchenyuk's problem is his defensive game, that's mainly on him and his commitment. Habs slightly mismanaged him but to say ruin, you're way off.

Beaulieu.......attitude problem was his undoing.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

It's the Subban trade talking...it's so obvious

It was a very very very bad trade. No wonder it's obvious.

Contenders you say?

So the fact that right now the Habs depth at center is:

• Galchenyuk, who is appears to be grossly out of favor with management. I can't see "this" Habs lineup without him playing center. This franchise just doesn't have the bodies without making a trade.
• Danault who was a fantastic acquisition by MB but is he really a top6 Center? I am not against giving him a chance, but I believe in the philosophy to make these young players making under $1M to compete for these top roles. Sure Danault looked very good, but come playoffs his lack of play making vision killed that line.
• Plekanec... Will he be here on opening day? This is a concern as his last year was very bad.

I believe in Galchenyuk. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass and focus more on hockey. He needs to work on his defensive responsibilities and give the coaching staff no choice but to make him the #1 center. It's pathetic that he needs to be given that status without earning it because this management group has done a poor job creating internal competition for ice time.

Contenders you say?

Can you explain to me why the Habs scored only 11 goals on Lundqvist allowing him a sv% of 0.947 while the Senators lit him up for 18 goals and a 0.905 sv%?

The Senators were by far the most successful team in 2016-2017 earning 0.2565 (42 points) out of their 0.598 (98 points out of 164) in 2 or less goal games, yet won 3 out of 4 games against Lundqvist scoring 3 or more goals.

So was it Lundqvist that beat the Habs or was it the Habs that beat themselves because they lack a potent scoring attack?


Contenders you say?

So why is it that the Habs were the worst playoff team in scoring against other playoff teams? At 2.37 GPG against teams that made the playoffs, they are as far as 0.3 goals or 12.7% less than the closest team (Anaheim) that were able to successfully make it to the second round (tied with Calgary in fact at 2.67 AGFvPL). Teams between 2.37 and 2.67 were SJS and Boston, both 1st round exits.

Contenders you say?

Take a look at this thread where I compiled stats for the entire NHL. The Habs aren't a terrible team, in fact top10 is reasonable, but without scoring help, this team is not a contender.

You're my nominee for HFHabs Hall of Fame 2017. (Oh we don't do that any more? Ok, you can take Bloumeister's place)

We're here to discuss and learn and commiserate (at times). We don't need to argue. Your post is an example of an informative post that doesn't spin things needlessly but still maintains a slant. Kudos.

 

[Fozz]

As of right now the only category the Habs are top 10 in is goaltending. The defence has gotten worse and the forwards are about on par with where they were last season.

I'd argue that with Pacioretty, Drouin and Galchenyuk, we have one of, if not the very best left side in the entire NHL.

 

[Fozz]

Contenders you say?

The Habs aren't a terrible team, in fact top10 is reasonable, but without scoring help, this team is not a contender.

With the parity in this league, being a top-10 team makes you a contender.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

I'd argue that with Pacioretty, Drouin and Galchenyuk, we have one of, if not the very best left side in the entire NHL.

Galchenyuk is not here to play third line.

If we put AG on the third line, we'd have by far, the worst C in the league.

I doubt that with our (lack of) quality at C or RW, all 3 of Pacioretty, Drouin and Galchenyuk will play LW in the same game.

 

[Wats]

I'd argue that with Pacioretty, Drouin and Galchenyuk, we have one of, if not the very best left side in the entire NHL.

Just having a good left side doesn't really have an impact IMO. Now if we sign Radulov, Habs will have one of the best winger groups in NHL. This can insulate the weak C and perhaps make the offense from bad to good/above average.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

Contenders you say?

So the fact that right now the Habs depth at center is:

• Galchenyuk, who is appears to be grossly out of favor with management. I can't see "this" Habs lineup without him playing center. This franchise just doesn't have the bodies without making a trade.
• Danault who was a fantastic acquisition by MB but is he really a top6 Center? I am not against giving him a chance, but I believe in the philosophy to make these young players making under $1M to compete for these top roles. Sure Danault looked very good, but come playoffs his lack of play making vision killed that line.
• Plekanec... Will he be here on opening day? This is a concern as his last year was very bad.

I believe in Galchenyuk. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass and focus more on hockey. He needs to work on his defensive responsibilities and give the coaching staff no choice but to make him the #1 center. It's pathetic that he needs to be given that status without earning it because this management group has done a poor job creating internal competition for ice time.

Contenders you say?

Can you explain to me why the Habs scored only 11 goals on Lundqvist allowing him a sv% of 0.947 while the Senators lit him up for 18 goals and a 0.905 sv%?

The Senators were by far the most successful team in 2016-2017 earning 0.2565 (42 points) out of their 0.598 (98 points out of 164) in 2 or less goal games, yet won 3 out of 4 games against Lundqvist scoring 3 or more goals.

So was it Lundqvist that beat the Habs or was it the Habs that beat themselves because they lack a potent scoring attack?


Contenders you say?

So why is it that the Habs were the worst playoff team in scoring against other playoff teams? At 2.37 GPG against teams that made the playoffs, they are as far as 0.3 goals or 12.7% less than the closest team (Anaheim) that were able to successfully make it to the second round (tied with Calgary in fact at 2.67 AGFvPL). Teams between 2.37 and 2.67 were SJS and Boston, both 1st round exits.

Contenders you say?

Take a look at this thread where I compiled stats for the entire NHL. The Habs aren't a terrible team, in fact top10 is reasonable, but without scoring help, this team is not a contender.

Exactly. I there something in the Molson beer? How the hell are we contenders when we miss so many elements required to win a Cup?

So many zombies here.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It was a very very very bad trade. No wonder it's obvious.


You're my nominee for HFHabs Hall of Fame 2017. (Oh we don't do that any more? Ok, you can take Bloumeister's place)

We're here to discuss and learn and commiserate (at times). We don't need to argue. Your post is an example of an informative post that doesn't spin things needlessly but still maintains a slant. Kudos.

And this is why we need Radulov WITH the acquisition of Drouin. AND more.

 

[Fozz]

Btw,

Anyone happen to notice that the Leafs just signed Patrick Marleau who would've been a great option for us at center? Just thought I'd ask...

Marleau, a winger, is simply not a solution for our center needs. Besides, the Leafs just gave him by far the worst deal of the summer. A declining 37 year old that never really produced in the playoffs at over $6M a year? Bad

 

[MrNasty]

When you look on paper one could argue that Pittsburgh and Nashville are not contenders either. One "lacks" defense and the other "lacks" offense. Nashville was 8th in their conference.

 

[NotProkofievian]

With the parity in this league, being a top-10 teams makes you a contender.

No it doesn't. We can't score against good teams. There are only good teams in the playoffs. Hence we can't score in the playoffs.

 

[NotProkofievian]

When you look on paper one could argue that Pittsburgh and Nashville are not contenders either. One "lacks" defense and the other "lacks" offense. Nashville was 8th in their conference.

How does Nashville lack offence if they're 6th in scoring against playoff teams in the entire NHL?

 

[Doc McKenna]

I think the Habs are contenders. Definitely top 10.
Chicago got swept in the 1st round but nobody says they are not contenders. And they pay 2 guys 10.5 M

You know top 10s don't mean much when its 30% of the league. Sound a lot better on a list of 100, there are not 100 teams. In fact it means we are just a HAIR above wildcard as there are 4 wildcards out of the 16 teams that make the post season. So in reality we are good enough to just make a regular spot in the playoffs. Hmm seems to have worked for St Louis all those years.

 

[Fozz]

Galchenyuk is not here to play third line.

If we put AG on the third line, we'd have by far, the worst C in the league.

I doubt that with our (lack of) quality at C or RW, all 3 of Pacioretty, Drouin and Galchenyuk will play LW in the same game.

I'm not talking about line combinations here. I'm simply arguing that goaltending isn't the only position that the Habs are top-10.

Regardless of who plays where or with whom, we have 3 very solid top-6 LWs. You can trade one for need or move ine to the right side, doesn't matter.