If you count first rounders, it's gonna be skewed towards teams constantly picking at the top of the draft. Wow, Edmonton sure nailed their first rounders when they picked in the top ten off a decade straight!
Confirmed with Link: Marat Khusnutdinov and Jakub Lauko traded to BOS for Justin Brazeau
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BagHead
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We could solve this issue by providing a weighting to ranges of draft picks. It isn't necessary to remove them entirely when simply discounting them by some percentage weighting would tell a more complete and accurate tale. I don't currently care enough to do this myself, but if you guys really want to find out how good the Wild are at drafting vs. other teams, that'd be the way to go about it.
Maybe something like giving rounds 3-7 full weight (x1), while discounting the 1st and 2nd round to some degree. Something like 1-3 overall at x0.25, 4-10 at 0.35, 11-17 at 0.50, 18-32 at 0.7, and 2nd rounders at 0.85 (these are just wild guesses at weightings to make it clear what I mean, they are not the numbers that should actually be used).
Nino Noderreiter
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So we get this new plug and we are going to attempt to tailor a role for him based on his limited skill set instead of trying to force his round peg into square hole like we do with every other player????
Make very little sense.
Make very little sense.
For sure but you can still find top talent who exceed their draft position. Sometimes it's luck when say Boldy falls into our lap but sometimes you make a great pick like Burns or Brodin.
Spurgeon
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I do wonder if Khus was pissy about being sent down and that ticked Guerin off. Seems odd to me to send him down to the AHL and tell the media it was purely for cap reasons before trading him away.
I still owe GuerinUp $20 for a bet we made about something regarding the Wild defense, but he hasn't posted for nearly 3 years now.
I'll set a reminder for April 2027. Hopefully we're still both around.
I still owe GuerinUp $20 for a bet we made about something regarding the Wild defense, but he hasn't posted for nearly 3 years now.
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This does seem to happen, Talbot got moved pretty fast but that worked out good. We signed Greenway and traded him not that long aafter. Probably another one I am forgetting.
Nino Noderreiter
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TaLoN
Red 5 standing by
Addison was just terrible at hockey
McBain didn't want to play here because he thought there was too many players in his way at center
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21-22 when McBain turned pro.
Hartman:65p
JEE:49p
Freddy G:44p
Dewar-in his first NHL season
Sturm/Jost-forget the exact timing of the trades.
Rossi-in Iowa
At best he would have been 6th on the center depth chart at the time. Don't forget there was a coach who hated young players (according to some posters).
To me it seems pretty smart to get NHL paychecks (~$900k/yr) instead of getting AHL paychecks (~$90k/yr).
To some extent Fiala got moved quickly as well. Mennell pissed off Guerin. Nesternko was a senior and didn't want to sign. Lindberg as well.
I hope your argument isn’t that we had good center depth at the time….because. Yowza21-22 when McBain turned pro.
Hartman:65p
JEE:49p
Freddy G:44p
Dewar-in his first NHL season
Sturm/Jost-forget the exact timing of the trades.
Rossi-in Iowa
At best he would have been 6th on the
center depth chart at the time. Don't forget there was a coach who hated young players (according to some posters).
To me it seems pretty smart to get NHL paychecks (~$900k/yr) instead of getting AHL paychecks (~$90k/yr).
DANOZ28
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I think they traded for Brazeau bc they don’t want Jiricek to get lonely at power-skating camp this summer
The center depth ahead of McBain was more than enough that there wasn't a clear path for him to the NHL. 3x40p+centers and the top-10 pick of Rossi ahead of him. The doesn't even account for the other random wing/centers on/around the team that season in Sturm/Jost, Bjugstad, Rask, Dewar, Shaw, etc. I don't remember the contracts terms for everyone.
Signing in MN would have been a bad career/business move for him as opposed to going the college grad FA route. On an ELC the AHL pay is roughly 10 cents on the dollar compared to NHL pay. And MN has a GM that is pretty against any bonuses.
Bottom line is he had no faith in his ability to surpass scrubs on the depth chart over the following few seasons. He took the easy way out which may have made financial sense but wasn’t very tasteful as far as the way you treat a team that drafted and supported you through a few years of your development
He was drafted, sure. How did the team support him? At best he would have been an unpaid intern.
He told the team he was going to exercise his FA rights instead of signing. He then got traded for a 2nd round pick.
Seems to me he had enough faith in himself to go the FA route. Maybe he had no faith in the Wild organization, or didn't like/trust GMBG?
It's not like McBain had a former linemate on the Wild. One that immediately got sent to the AHL when he signed out of college, and then he spent the first half of the next season in the AHL too. Or that he has parent who was a former NHL player that was traded a couple of times.
The options of playing for a bad AHL team for AHL pay (with maybe a callup), or playing for a bad NHL team for NHL pay. I dunno this seems like a pretty easy choice to me.
BagHead
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If someone ever offers you a job with an easier path to advancement that comes with an immediate pay increase of 900% and you decide to take it, be sure to message me about it so I can quote you back to you.
