Confirmed with Link: Marat Khusnutdinov and Jakub Lauko traded to BOS for Justin Brazeau

[Luceni]

I feel like Lauko for Brazeau straight up could have been enough. Maybe they could've add a late round pick. But losing speed always hurts in todays NHL. Yes, Khus did not show up on the scoresheet but he had to play with career AHL-talent all the time, he didn't get a look with more skilled players.

For me, he's passed the eye test imo. Khus should be a full time NHL player. With the wheels he provides, there should be room for him at NHL level on most teams. Guerin values size over speed and thats a mistake in todays NHL imo. 15 years ago I'd have pursuit size too, but the game has changed.

 

[Circulartheory]

I feel like Lauko for Brazeau straight up could have been enough. Maybe they could've add a late round pick. But losing speed always hurts in todays NHL. Yes, Khus did not show up on the scoresheet but he had to play with career AHL-talent all the time, he didn't get a look with more skilled players.

For me, he's passed the eye test imo. Khus should be a full time NHL player. With the wheels he provides, there should be room for him at NHL level on most teams. Guerin values size over speed and thats a mistake in todays NHL imo. 15 years ago I'd have pursuit size too, but the game has changed.

I don't think Lauko would have got Brazeau, especially if the injuries are real concerns. I'm not against Khusnutdinov for Brazeau, 1 for 1. I was never high on Khustnutdinov, always said at the very best, he would be an Erik Haula. More realistically, he would be Haula when he was on the Wild.

What I am still digesting is an injury prone Lauko and a 6th was unnecessary to throw it. In a vacuum, these are minor pieces and "is it really worth getting bent out of shape over a 4th liner and a 6th?". But what I am digesting is - I hope it doesn't become not be a trend. I still remember Doug Risebrough throwing in mid-late picks as cherries on tops, and when you sum it all up, those late round picks do add up. Over the last 5 years, we have done a good job with our draft capital, so we shouldn't delve away too much from that.

 

[thestonedkoala]

But what I am digesting is - I hope it doesn't become not be a trend. I still remember Doug Risebrough throwing in mid-late picks as cherries on tops, and when you sum it all up, those late round picks do add up. Over the last 5 years, we have done a good job with our draft capital, so we shouldn't delve away too much from that.

Minnesota has done a horse shit job of drafting anything outside the first round, I hope they keep trading picks for players. I would have traded a 3rd for Brazeau...maybe even a 3rd and 4th. The Wild should absolutely trade their draft capital if they can.

 

[north21]

Minnesota has done a horse shit job of drafting anything outside the first round, I hope they keep trading picks for players. I would have traded a 3rd for Brazeau...maybe even a 3rd and 4th. The Wild should absolutely trade their draft capital if they can.

How do we compare to the rest of the league in the last 10 or 20 years?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

How do we compare to the rest of the league in the last 10 or 20 years?

The "rest of the league" will be Dallas and Tampa, so, not very good I reckon.

 

[thestonedkoala]

How do we compare to the rest of the league in the last 10 or 20 years?

Average to mediocre.

Kaprizov is the only thing saving this team.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I'll do a few teams first since 2015 (taken after the 1st round and more than 100 games)
Anaheim - 6 players (best pick is Troy Terry)
Arizona - 7 players (best pick is Conor Garland?)
Boston - 8 players (best pick Jeremy Swayman)
Buffalo - 7 players (best pick John Peterka?)
Calgary - 7 players (best pick Adam Fox or Andrew Mangiapane)
Carolina - 8 players (best player is Sebastian Aho)
Chicago - 4 players (best player is Alex Debrincat)
Colorado - 3 players (best player is AJ Greer)
Columbus - 9 players (best player is Vladislav Gavrikov)
Dallas - 2 players (best player is Roope Hintz)

Minnesota - 5 players (best player is Kirill Kaprizov)

So far teams average around 6 players in 10 years from the 2nd round and later. Minnesota is below average, so as I mentioned - at best average or mediocre.

 

[north21]

The "rest of the league" will be Dallas and Tampa, so, not very good I reckon.

Two teams are not the league. Dallas has had two epic drafts, you can at least say we had one. Most teams can't say that. That is on top on doing well in the first round.

 

[north21]

So far teams average around 6 players in 10 years from the 2nd round and later. Minnesota is below average, so as I mentioned - at best average or mediocre.

Now first rounders don't count, do you cherry pick for a living? That is all that I see.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

How do we compare to the rest of the league in the last 10 or 20 years?

I started picking random successful teams. The last real impact players (trying to keep it to legit top 6/top 4) drafted outside the first rounds:

Florida - Weegar - 2013
Colorado - O'Reilly - 2009
Tampa - Cirelli - 2015
Boston - Carlo - 2015 (maybe Lohrei in 2020)
Toronto - Knies - 2021 (before that, Verhaeghe in 2013)
Dallas - has been very good, Stankoven, Robertson, Hintz since 2015
Winnipeg - Samburg (meh) - 2017

We have Kaprizov 2015.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Now first rounders don't count, do you cherry pick for a living? That is all that I see.

How am I cherry picking? If we add first rounders, Minnesota is still around average to below average, but first rounders skew it as well because most first rounders play over 100 games (look at Tyson Jost)

Anaheim - add 9 more players - 15 players
Arizona - Add 7 more players - 14 players
Boston - Add 5 more players - 13 players
Buffalo - Add 8 more players - 15 players
Calgary - Add 3 more players - 10 players
Carolina - Add 6 more players - 14 players
Chicago - Add 5 more players - 9 players
Colorado - Add 6 more players - 9 players
Columbus - Add 7 more players - 16 players
Dallas - Add 6 more players - 8 players
Minnesota - Add 4 more players - 9 players

Average of 12 players drafted in the past 10 years...so Minnesota is again around average to below average

 

[thestonedkoala]

I started picking random successful teams. The last real impact players (trying to keep it to legit top 6/top 4) drafted outside the first rounds:

Florida - Weegar - 2013
Colorado - O'Reilly - 2009
Tampa - Cirelli - 2015
Boston - Carlo - 2015 (maybe Lohrei in 2020)
Toronto - Knies - 2021 (before that, Verhaeghe in 2013)
Dallas - has been very good, Stankoven, Robertson, Hintz since 2015
Winnipeg - Samburg (meh) - 2017

We have Kaprizov 2015.

Why do you not include goalies?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Why do you not include goalies?

Because they're known to be gigantic crapshoots, and teams don't take them every year.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

How am I cherry picking? If we add first rounders, Minnesota is still around average to below average, but first rounders skew it as well because most first rounders play over 100 games (look at Tyson Jost)

Anaheim - add 9 more players - 15 players
Arizona - Add 7 more players - 14 players
Boston - Add 5 more players - 13 players
Buffalo - Add 8 more players - 15 players
Calgary - Add 3 more players - 10 players
Carolina - Add 6 more players - 14 players
Chicago - Add 5 more players - 9 players
Colorado - Add 6 more players - 9 players
Columbus - Add 7 more players - 16 players
Dallas - Add 6 more players - 8 players
Minnesota - Add 4 more players - 9 players

Average of 12 players drafted in the past 10 years...so Minnesota is again around average to below average

This doesn't account for trading picks away, acquiring picks, multiple 1st/2nd round picks, etc. Not very useful without hit %'s.

 

[north21]

I started picking random successful teams. The last real impact players (trying to keep it to legit top 6/top 4) drafted outside the first rounds:

Florida - Weegar - 2013
Colorado - O'Reilly - 2009
Tampa - Cirelli - 2015
Boston - Carlo - 2015 (maybe Lohrei in 2020)
Toronto - Knies - 2021 (before that, Verhaeghe in 2013)
Dallas - has been very good, Stankoven, Robertson, Hintz since 2015
Winnipeg - Samburg (meh) - 2017

We have Kaprizov 2015.

Looks like we got the best player. He could use some help but we do have boldy and rossi approaching their primes and some help on the way with yurov and ohgren but a lot depends on them panning out. I think they can produce. Sign one high end guy we are dangerous. Maybe be patient with that money and wait a year, I haven't looked but find the right guy over spending to spend.

Kind of spoiled on the back end with Faber and buium with juicek as a kicker. Then we are sitting on Brodinz Spurge and Middleton and yowza we look good.

It won't always work out but you have to see some potential there.

 

[thestonedkoala]

This doesn't account for trading picks away, acquiring picks, multiple 1st/2nd round picks, etc. Not very useful without hit %'s.

Doesn't matter.

 

[north21]

Doesn't matter.

What?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Looks like we got the best player. He could use some help but we do have boldy and rossi approaching their primes and some help on the way with yurov and ohgren but a lot depends on them panning out. I think they can produce. Sign one high end guy we are dangerous. Maybe be patient with that money and wait a year, I haven't looked but find the right guy over spending to spend.

Kind of spoiled on the back end with Faber and buium with juicek as a kicker. Then we are sitting on Brodinz Spurge and Middleton and yowza we look good.

It won't always work out but you have to see some potential there.

I think it's fine to want more out of the drafts. But there's a way to do it while understanding that drafting 18 year olds is not a science and has a very high degree of difficulty.

Still, can't help but wonder about a world where we drafted Faber (we passed on him twice for Khusnuts and O'Rourke) and Knies (took Peart ~2 spots ahead of him).

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Doesn't matter.

Of course it matters.

 

[north21]

I think it's fine to want more out of the drafts. But there's a way to do it while understanding that drafting 18 year olds is not a science and has a very high degree of difficulty.

Still, can't help but wonder about a world where we drafted Faber (we passed on him twice for Khusnuts and O'Rourke) and Knies (took Peart ~2 spots ahead of him).

I'm fine with all of that, great to dream but to get all blotchy with the massive benefit of hindsight is just stupid.

Some guys make great calls on draft day but those are almost never the same guys who are skilled at relentlessly complaining about drafting.

 

[north21]

If you can call that a skill?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm fine with all of that, great to dream but to get all blotchy with the massive benefit of hindsight is just stupid.

Some guys make great calls on draft day but those are almost never the same guys who are skilled at relentlessly complaining about drafting.

It's a balance. I recognize that drafting is hard, but it's also somebody's paying job, so you can't just always say "oh well, drafting is hard". Otherwise, that's a cushy ass job.

I do think that we are at least slightly lacking in the gigantic chasm between Kaprizov and Duhaime, when it comes to non-1st round picks over the last 10-12 years. I do believe that to be a fair critique. But one can go overboard in that critique too.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I can see how Brazeau would be much more effective than Khusnutdinov come playoff time.

 

[north21]

It's a balance. I recognize that drafting is hard, but it's also somebody's paying job, so you can't just always say "oh well, drafting is hard". Otherwise, that's a cushy ass job.

I do think that we are at least slightly lacking in the gigantic chasm between Kaprizov and Duhaime, when it comes to non-1st round picks in the 10-12 years. I do believe that to be a fair critique. But one can go overboard in that critique too.

Then when people just show unbiased numbers to display how not easy it is we get more questions as to why we don't outperform everyone? Then ignore places we do well, what a fun game!

Have to take the good with the bad or the average. Any fool can tell you about what has already happened nobody can tell you a players future.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

Only got a handful of shifts last night, which probably makes sense given the context and the turnaround for him.

I'd like to see him get a 3rd line role because since he is a rental we need to see what we can get out of him.

I still see potential, with his size and his hands. He also seems to always be around the net which is interesting because of his size (and hands) and I think he can be effective in some secondary scoring off of the cycle and screening on point shots.

He's not very fast and he does struggle to keep up with the play a bit it seems like. I think it's important he plays on a possession heavy cycle line versus playing off the rush. I think he can be successful in that role.