Confirmed with Link: Mangiapane to Washington for 2025 2nd round pick (via Avalanche)

[Kranix]

Good

 

[Bounces R Way]

We have almost 30 million in cap room now. Imagine DeBrusk is on his way, not sure what else I'd be stepping out on if I was Conroy. Maybe another dman.

Hope he doesn't get too loose with it

 

[lightstorm]

Time to take on some ugly contract and pile up more picks

Krug 3 years left at $6.5m
Killorn 3 years left at $6.25m

 

[Lunatik]

It baffles me that so many people are talking about retention and how they didn't think he'd be worth a 2nd without it... He's not really overpaid, that's the going rate for mid-late 20s players that aren't a liability defensively and can put up 20g/40p. It's like people see the occasional good value signing, and forget they aren't the norm.

A late 2nd for Mangiapane makes perfect sense. If it were a pick originally belonging to a lesser team, it probably would have been 2 x 3rd, or a 3rd and a prospect.

 

[Mobiandi]

If Kadri decides to take the year off though oh hell yeah we're bottom 3.

This already feels like a given

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Imagine DeBrusk is on his way

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[BobColesNasalCavity]

Time to take on some ugly contract and pile up more picks

Krug 3 years left at $6.5m
Killorn 3 years left at $6.25m

Holl 2 years left at 3.4
Petry 1 year left at 2.34

I don’t care who just get more picks

 

[User1996]

Holl 2 years left at 3.4
Petry 1 year left at 2.34

I don’t care who just get more picks

I like these two because they won’t have a case to be in the lineup and should be happy just to collect a paycheque at this point

 

[joescores]

Fantastic trade, well done Conny.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

I’ve said it before, but Conroy has done an absolutely incredible job in just one year. He might not get the most value in every trade but his overall vision is exactly what this team needs and has needed for a decade+.

This is just another excellent asset management move, and realistically it won’t matter if it’s a mid 2nd or late 2nd. Or if we got a late 2nd for Zad instead of a 3rd, Or a 2024 first for Marky instead of a 2025 1st. All of that stuff is marginal in the grand scheme of things when he has the right vision of building through the draft.

Call it a retool, a rebuild, whatever you want to call it. He’s building something here from the ground up. In Conroy I trust

 

[Bounces R Way]

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cuz we just gotta
and the stinkin Oilers might want him

 

[Figgy44]

Nice.

Upgrading a sixth to a second is always good.

Only took a decade. (2015 draft to 2025 pick)

 

[JPeeper]

Time to take on some ugly contract and pile up more picks

Krug 3 years left at $6.5m
Killorn 3 years left at $6.25m

We got to do what Montreal did to us, find those teams that are so up against the cap that they'll trade 1st rounders to get rid of the contract.

Ducks don't need to get rid of Killorn and need him to make the cap floor. St. Louis doesn't really need to get rid of Krug either.

 

[InfinityIggy]

It baffles me that so many people are talking about retention and how they didn't think he'd be worth a 2nd without it... He's not really overpaid, that's the going rate for mid-late 20s players that aren't a liability defensively and can put up 20g/40p. It's like people see the occasional good value signing, and forget they aren't the norm.

A late 2nd for Mangiapane makes perfect sense. If it were a pick originally belonging to a lesser team, it probably would have been 2 x 3rd, or a 3rd and a prospect.

He's average at best defensively, lets not pretend he is some great two-way player. Andrew Mangiapane is ranked 490th for 2023/20234 $/Point. It's not a very good contract based on his recent performance.

 

[Figgy44]

I’ve said it before, but Conroy has done an absolutely incredible job in just one year. He might not get the most value in every trade but his overall vision is exactly what this team needs and has needed for a decade+.

This is just another excellent asset management move, and realistically it won’t matter if it’s a mid 2nd or late 2nd. Or if we got a late 2nd for Zad instead of a 3rd, Or a 2024 first for Marky instead of a 2025 1st. All of that stuff is marginal in the grand scheme of things when he has the right vision of building through the draft.

Call it a retool, a rebuild, whatever you want to call it. He’s building something here from the ground up. In Conroy I trust

In my head, I'm expecting him to use a lot of used pre-fab. Like ripping out a house and putting a shipping container house in its place. Yeah you can do a great job in building something solid and make it look really damn good, but it technically ain't ground up and the materials weren't new, raw materials. A lot of the pieces were also used when originally acquired, but strong foundational pieces for the whole damn thing. This is potentially like a Dallas and Boston style rebuild on the fly and technically the same thing Treliving did as our GM.

I hope Mangiapane works out. I think the Caps will like him as much as they did Hathaway. Not saying he's Hathaway, I'm saying his style will fit them like a glove.

 

[Lunatik]

He's average at best defensively, lets not pretend he is some great two-way player. Andrew Mangiapane is ranked 490th for 2023/20234 $/Point. It's not a very good contract based on his recent performance.

How on earth does "not a liability" equate to "great two-way player"?

And $/Point is such a stupid f***ing stat to use, all you have to do is look at signings for $5m+ the last 3 years and you see it is right around market value. Not good, not bad. Which is why Washington was willing to pay what they did.

 

[Janks]

How on earth does "not a liability" equate to "great two-way player"?

And $/Point is such a stupid f***ing stat to use, all you have to do is look at signings for $5m+ the last 3 years and you see it is right around market value. Not good, not bad. Which is why Washington was willing to pay what they did.

You’re paying for point production or defensive ability - unless you’re content just having useless forwards doing cardio out there in our top 6?

 

[BosnianBeast]

It baffles me that so many people are talking about retention and how they didn't think he'd be worth a 2nd without it... He's not really overpaid, that's the going rate for mid-late 20s players that aren't a liability defensively and can put up 20g/40p. It's like people see the occasional good value signing, and forget they aren't the norm.

A late 2nd for Mangiapane makes perfect sense. If it were a pick originally belonging to a lesser team, it probably would have been 2 x 3rd, or a 3rd and a prospect.

People are talking about retention because Mangiapane today isn't the Mangiapane that signed for $5.8 million AAV after a 35 goal season. Last week if you went to the trade board and said "Mangiapane for a 2nd round pick" no one would take it seriously. Hell, media guys thought you might be able to get a 4th for him, which is why the 2nd is considered a surprise, and with no retention at that. It's a great trade, no doubt about it, but not a lot of people (unless you're some kind of savant) had his value at a 2nd round pick.

 

[Lunatik]

People are talking about retention because Mangiapane today isn't the Mangiapane that signed for $5.8 million AAV after a 35 goal season. Last week if you went to the trade board and said "Mangiapane for a 2nd round pick" no one would take it seriously. Hell, media guys thought you might be able to get a 4th for him, which is why the 2nd is considered a surprise, and with no retention at that. It's a great trade, no doubt about it, but not a lot of people (unless you're some kind of savant) had his value at a 2nd round pick.

I mean literally an hour before the trade I suggested a high second and a young player that needs a change of scenery for him and Dallas's 2nd. So I really don't find it surprising at all with all the middle 6 forwards getting 5m+ these days.

ALso glad to see you back Janko

 

[InfinityIggy]

How on earth does "not a liability" equate to "great two-way player"?

And $/Point is such a stupid f***ing stat to use, all you have to do is look at signings for $5m+ the last 3 years and you see it is right around market value. Not good, not bad. Which is why Washington was willing to pay what they did.

Yeah that's what I did and how I determined that it is in fact a bad contract. Washington also traded for PLD so the appeal to authority thing is very boring.

 

[Janks]

You’d be silly to think that Mangia’s $5.8M cap hit is reasonable when you could also have guys like Trocheck, Hyman, Kempe, Konecny, Nuge, Eriksson Ek, Buch, McCann, Ehlers, Mittlestadt all for the same cap hit. Different circumstances obviously on their signings.. but let’s not kid ourselves and think Mangia is the same tier of player and it’s fair value.

 

[User1996]

Seems like just one bad contract on the books right now. Could be two depending how Kadri follows up last year. Hopefully it stays that way in FA.

*Three because signing Kevin Rooney to almost anything was a bad signing, but arguing about it isn’t worth it.

 

[joescores]

Seems like just one bad contract on the books right now. Could be two depending how Kadri follows up last year. Hopefully it stays that way in FA.

*Three because signing Kevin Rooney to almost anything was a bad signing, but arguing about it isn’t worth it.

Rooney's deal was a proper hiccup by Conny! What was he thinking??? And he paid Martin just a mil a season- that I didn't like at all.

 

[joescores]

You’d be silly to think that Mangia’s $5.8M cap hit is reasonable when you could also have guys like Trocheck, Hyman, Kempe, Konecny, Nuge, Eriksson Ek, Buch, McCann, Ehlers, Mittlestadt all for the same cap hit. Different circumstances obviously on their signings.. but let’s not kid ourselves and think Mangia is the same tier of player and it’s fair value.

#88 was a lead for the majority of the season. I can't believe he put together 40 pts, his in front of net skills were more than often dejecting and a proper let down- he couldn't hit a barn door. He is a 1.75 mil 4th liner on a deep SC team.

 

[Volica]

Good luck Mange.
Great player, bad contract, good human.

Conroy with some tidy work here.