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Value of: Mangiapane to Buffalo? What would it take?
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My Cozen Dylan
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A 3rd seems fair. Retention means nothing to us so I wouldn't give more to save cap.
If a team offers anything of value for a 6 mill 40 point winger Calgary should take it and run
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Nanuuk
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I doubt Calgary would let him go for a 3rd round pick. He is more valuable to them playing here and even though we are re-tooling on the fly there will not be a fire sale.
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If the Flames want Coronato in the top 9, which they do, somebody has to go. You can't keep every veteran.
Could they get more at the deadline? Maybe. They could also get less or nothing if Mangiapane struggles or gets injured. Plus and most importantly, it'd block the development of a potentially important piece for the future.
Flames get a whole lot more from Coronato being an everyday regular in the top 9 than having Mangiapane stick around for 4 utterly meaningless months.
Well that was easy
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Keep in mind that the cap space is very valuable too. Calgary has always like grabbing RFA and adding their own value by doing well on the extensions.
It'd be nice for more than a 3rd, but I think that's fair for no retention. That's also extra assets from where we drafted him and I think he'd flourish playing closer to home (doing him a solid). I'd consider it. it's Zadorov vibes again. Want more, but don't under estimate cap as a premium.
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Coronato has to make the team let alone top nine. He needs to improve his skating if he ever hopes to be an everyday NHL'er.If the Flames want Coronato in the top 9, which they do, somebody has to go. You can't keep every veteran.
Could they get more at the deadline? Maybe. They could also get less or nothing if Mangiapane struggles or gets injured. Plus and most importantly, it'd block the development of a potentially important piece for the future.
Flames get a whole lot more from Coronato being an everyday regular in the top 9 than having Mangiapane stick around for 4 utterly meaningless months.
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He is also a right wing whereas Pelletier is a left wing.
The argument to move Mangiapane to make room for a younger player is stronger for Pelletier, although the Flames could switch Coleman to the left side to make room for Coronato.
Bottom line is that the Flames aren't going to gift a spot for these kids. Mangiapane's production has dipped probably from his shoulder injury the previous season.
I think they'll keep him for most of the season with the view that he will up his scoring and grow his value. Then they will look to monetize that value with a trade.
Alternatively he will be packaged with another to return a roster player or higher pick than a 3rd.
They aren't retaining anything for a third.
Bit overpaid but he's better than his points suggest. Reading the athletic and they claim he's our best winger.
I'd hold until the deadline
Bit overpaid but he's better than his points suggest. Reading the athletic and they claim he's our best winger.
I'd hold until the deadline
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That’s normal these days. 5-6M for 40pts
He has 1 yr left so it doesn’t matter too much anyway
They’ll get a pick for him, just a matter of when
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With regards to the bolded, it's not 2006 anymore and Darryl Sutter's long gone.
It's not "gifting"; it's putting players in positions to succeed. And that's something both Conroy and Huska have said repeatedly.
And spots have to actually be open in the top 9 if they want a prospect to grab it
Depends if it's retained or at the TDL. If it's now at full cap hit I'd see it like others and say a 3rd. If it's at the TDL or retained 2nd+.
EDIT: Or Krebs if you value him at a 3rd. I value him somewhere between a 2nd and 3rd, but may be in the minority.
EDIT: Or Krebs if you value him at a 3rd. I value him somewhere between a 2nd and 3rd, but may be in the minority.
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Zman5778
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What about something like Krebs for Mangiapane? Krebs is young, has team control and is undoubtedly a center. His ceiling is the question -- is he an actual middle 6 guy or is he a fringe 3rd/decent 4th line center?
Of course, that would mean that Buffalo would actually have to get an actual 3rd line center. And a 4th line center.
But that's a different discussion altogether.
Of course, that would mean that Buffalo would actually have to get an actual 3rd line center. And a 4th line center.
But that's a different discussion altogether.
That makes a lot of sense actually. Fills a need and Krebs still has more upside than a 3rd. I like this as a basis.
Otherwise, if all we’re getting is a 3rd we may as well hold onto him and retain on him at the deadline or swap him for a slightly more expensive longer-term cap dump and a better pick.
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No way Buffalo does that. Rosen is more valuable than the 2 Flames together.
Zman5778
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I am very unfamiliar with Duehr. Literally the only thing I know about him is he has a $825k cap hit and played 40 games last year.
What kind of player is he? Any upside?
Rosen is a damned good prospect..........
Djp
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You aren’t getting Rosen unless Anderssen is coming back.
At $6M there really is not much of a market for mango without retention.
He's a prototypical 4th liner with size, speed and a shot. He has no hands or hockey sense. I wouldn't say there is upside there no. It would be a terrible use of a good trade chip.
I'm in agreement with your point. I do think a player like Coleman is worth Rosen though. Weegar too. You'd be adding quite a bit to Rosen for Andersson. A 1st round pick at minimum.
Zman5778
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We do need a 4th liner, for sure. And I'd be willing to add to Krebs to get Manga and Duehr. But from the sounds of it, Rosen is far too much of an add.
Way too much. Duehr is worth like a 6th round pick or something like that. Rosen is worth a 1st. Mangiapane is worth a 3rd, Krebs is worth a 3rd.
Zman5778
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Depends on how high that first is, IMO. I think he's got the value of a lower 1st. Kind of the value that a contender would pay for a high-end rental.
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