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We're in trouble if this is what we're relying on to buoy this team.



Zero evidence of this.

I personally do not believe the Canucks are handcuffed at all. They have not asked him to waive his NMC, nor have they asked him which teams he would go to. There are reports that he has said he doesn't want to go to another Canadian market, but that leaves another 24 teams to negotiate with. Obviously he won't go to just any of them, but there is nothing that indicates he would only go to 1 or 2 teams.

My bad and I shouldn’t have been so specific by stating only 1 or 2 teams. I should have chosen my words better a used something like “a handful of teams “

We will have to agree to disagree on being handcuffed. I think we are and I think any team that has to trade a player with a NMC is handcuffed or at a disadvantage. Miller holds all the cards and he gets to choose where & when he’s traded.
 
I do hope they look at the core's success over the time they have been together and aren't going to sell the farm trying to get into the WC2 spot at all costs.

I am starting to consider all this rumor stuff is just Allvin using a public forum to threaten players with families either for motivation or compliance. As I have already posted he did this when pressuring Pettersson to sign earlier than EP wanted. Maybe it is something Tocchet suggested, I have heard him say players hate hearing their names in trade rumors. Another aspect is diversion, what else is happening but is buried by these trade rumors.
 
My bad and I shouldn’t have been so specific by stating only 1 or 2 teams. I should have chosen my words better a used something like “a handful of teams “

We will have to agree to disagree on being handcuffed. I think we are and I think any team that has to trade a player with a NMC is handcuffed or at a disadvantage. Miller holds all the cards and he gets to choose where & when he’s traded.

He does get to choose where he plays, but I don't think this is a Kesler situation where he's only saying 1 or 2 teams.

All it really takes is 2 teams for a bidding war, but if there are 4-5 teams he would go to that's enough that we should be able to get a decent return for him.
 
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This fan base, owner and management team have crowned Pettersson King so he’s not going anywhere. We will live or die by the hands of this man whether we like it or not. The choice has been made.

To be fair that's what usually happens though. If our core players aren't good enough to lead us to the Cup then we won't win anyways. I think just about the only time a team can trade a franchise non-aging #1C and win a Cup is when that #1C is a prospect or rookie or you get a #1C in return (e.g. Quebec/Colorado trading Lindros and Sundin).
 
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A+ job by PA/JR to distract everyone from their absolute shit tier job on the d this summer. Throwing JT/EP under the bus, into trade rumours and publicly roasting both of them successfully drew almost all the media attention away from a total failure of a summer on d. Might end up with JT demanding out and having to trade him for a bag of pucks as a result.

1 top 4 dman brought in over 3 full years. Day 1 the defense was the biggest problem and today it is still, by far, the biggest problem.

They've proven they can make a lot of changes in a hurry but they've also proven they can sit on their hands for a looooong time watching a dumpster fire burn and opportunity pass them by.
 
This management group is terrible.

Their job is to literally "manage" this group and they've let one after another PR disaster fester to the point where this team has become a toxic disaster. One of the biggest laughing stocks in the NHL currently. Abysmal.
 
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A+ job by PA/JR to distract everyone from their absolute shit tier job on the d this summer. Throwing JT/EP under the bus, into trade rumours and publicly roasting both of them successfully drew almost all the media attention away from a total failure of a summer on d. Might end up with JT demanding out and having to trade him for a bag of pucks as a result.

1 top 4 dman brought in over 3 full years. Day 1 the defense was the biggest problem and today it is still, by far, the biggest problem.

They've proven they can make a lot of changes in a hurry but they've also proven they can sit on their hands for a looooong time watching a dumpster fire burn and opportunity pass them by.
Not only that, but arguably, they ended up extending the one top four defensemen they brought in at a rate that eliminated any surplus value that player was providing. They basically only have Quinn Hughes, whose contract they inherited, that is providing any surplus value on defense.
 
I hope we get a legendary retrospective at some point on how this organization went from being among the tightest in terms of media leaks in the league to having all its dirty laundry aired in public in the span of about four months.
 
I hope we get a legendary retrospective at some point on how this organization went from being among the tightest in terms of media leaks in the league to having all its dirty laundry aired in public in the span of about four months.

Dysfunctional teams leak. People want to unburden their feelings, get stuff off their chest, gripe about decisions they don't like.
 
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Dysfunctional teams leak. People want to unburden their feelings, get stuff off their chest, gripe about decisions they don't like.

it's also a symptom of lack of alignment. if everyone is on board with a decision they're less likely to get their personal opinion out there

in this case i think there's probably some conflict between coaching and management, management and ownership and the organization and the players
 
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when the sedins retired the canucks moved the c to horvat with only really tanev, edler, gudbranson (uhhh) and eriksson (blech) as the leadership group to back him up. i think we can all agree it went pretty badly and probably directly lead to horvat's departure

i think management need to recognize they've put hughes in a similar situation in his first couple years as captain where he only really has myers and miller backing him up. i'm not a big believer in mentorship but the team clearly needs some more experience and wisdom in the room right now

huh? the only thing that really led to Horvat's departure was them picking miller over him for some reason

I hope we get a legendary retrospective at some point on how this organization went from being among the tightest in terms of media leaks in the league to having all its dirty laundry aired in public in the span of about four months.
Dysfunctional teams leak. People want to unburden their feelings, get stuff off their chest, gripe about decisions they don't like.
yeah I think nearly every sporting club in the world gets new management following a crisis and promises that the leaks will stop. and then the new management enters a crisis, the leaks start again. it's unbelievable that any sports fan ever buys it
 
A+ job by PA/JR to distract everyone from their absolute shit tier job on the d this summer. Throwing JT/EP under the bus, into trade rumours and publicly roasting both of them successfully drew almost all the media attention away from a total failure of a summer on d. Might end up with JT demanding out and having to trade him for a bag of pucks as a result.

1 top 4 dman brought in over 3 full years. Day 1 the defense was the biggest problem and today it is still, by far, the biggest problem.

They've proven they can make a lot of changes in a hurry but they've also proven they can sit on their hands for a looooong time watching a dumpster fire burn and opportunity pass them by.


Scathing, but I can't find fault in it.

Reverse the Horvat trade and put a plug RHD beside Hughes, are they worse off? At least their powerplay still clicks... He's the best player in/out of this org. under their watch. What a massive misstep imo.

The other moves have been predominantly good, but failures have been notable.
 
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yeah but GM/Coach of the year voting basically just takes the form of "which teams surprised you?". it doesn't really mean anything.
I agree, but still I'm pretty sure a Rutherford front office is pretty respected around the league.
 
A+ job by PA/JR to distract everyone from their absolute shit tier job on the d this summer. Throwing JT/EP under the bus, into trade rumours and publicly roasting both of them successfully drew almost all the media attention away from a total failure of a summer on d. Might end up with JT demanding out and having to trade him for a bag of pucks as a result.

1 top 4 dman brought in over 3 full years. Day 1 the defense was the biggest problem and today it is still, by far, the biggest problem.

They've proven they can make a lot of changes in a hurry but they've also proven they can sit on their hands for a looooong time watching a dumpster fire burn and opportunity pass them by.
Another thing they have achieved is one more year to evaluate this group. They say I think, but their thinking hasn't been on par with even some of the long term intelligent posters

Even me, a dumbassed idiot poster that "guessed" back in October when Demko would return, well within 2 weeks when they were saying soon and that there was a good chance, better than good this season would resemble the 2016 season. I must have seen something.
I mean they were fine last year, Allvin finished 2nd in GM of the year voting lol.
Often a great goalie makes a difference, giving Rutherford credit they rebuilt the defence and stole a top 4 dman to add to the mix. The team had the 5th best defence in the league despite Tocchet benching the skil players. He got the Adams as a result. If it was for fixing problems then why isn't he now.

The train is rolling out of the station in Tradesville. The longer these games go on the easier it is to forget last year's career accomplishments by some players.

They have (rumored) turned down some offers because they think, remember what they thought at the beginning and recently of this group. Wait and see. I think they can still be a playoff team.
I am sure they thought or Allvin thought that one playoff appearance was enough and the markets would be patient for another year or two.
Even now allowing the rumors to stagnate isn't endearing fan interest or trade asset value. Soon they will have to keep everyone because they think, THINK any return isn't enough and then they will push it to the end of the year, summer and have another year to see what they have.

Miller and Petterson were the two hot commodities with Boeser in the top five, now a rumored Demko idea.
Well the Islanders might enter the trade market reducing the value of some of these declining assets even more, then there could be another team and another so on and so forth until the returns will be embarrassing.
These are job defining mistakes.
The Adam's winning coach doesn't know what to do.
The GM misread the market, fan market and player market in trying to hit a home run to makeup for incompetence.
It is becoming more and more clear that Allvin is in over his head or has some twisted understanding of this market and is treating it like a market where hockey is #3 or #4.
IF he was using trade threats to motivate players like he did with Pettersson to get him to sign before he wanted to then he really failed there.

AND if the is or was a confrontation between Miller and Tocchet, which is my "opinion" now being chatted about every now and then AND if Miller has decided he will refuse ALL trades (which has also been said on a show but not the next part) until the coach goes, which Crosby did and McDavid and other star players then trading others might be the way. Of course if that was the case Allvin cannot let the mob rule the roost all the way to his own demise.
A team cannot have a GM that is afraid and Allvin acts afraid to make another huge mistake.
What if Miller has simply said "I'll show up, play the game but to get rid of me you will need to buy me out" that isn't way out there after all they bought out OEL and he is reaping the benefits of being paid 4.75 mil plus what the other teams are paying him. Financially it makes great sense for Miller and then he can choose wherever he wants to go at a discounted price and stick it the team for embarrassing him or not doing something they said they would do.
You have heard that Pettersson has to grow up in public, I'm sure that did wonders in a relationship, that the players are "committed" to playing here. Well that is the exact same as saying they are contracted. One way makes it sound like they are enthusiastic and the other they have no choice.
 

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