Management Thread | Regular Season Edition

[ManVanFan]

All this shit falls on management.

 

[clay]

The bright side of the D core is that we have 4 very solid D prospects (Willander, Kudryavtsev, Pettersson, Mynio). The D could look a lot better next year just by inserting Willander and Kudryavtsev in the top 6. Then one of Pettersson or Mynio to replace Soucy when his contract expires.

 

[beachcomber]

The bright side of the D core is that we have 4 very solid D prospects (Willander, Kudryavtsev, Pettersson, Mynio). The D could look a lot better next year just by inserting Willander and Kudryavtsev in the top 6. Then one of Pettersson or Mynio to replace Soucy when his contract expires.

Kudryavtsev isn't playing in the top 6 next year.

 

[DFAC]

Too bad so sad.

This is the way to salvage the season.

I know it sucks but were literally 1 or 2 solid D men from solidifying this team into something that can contend and we all know this is true.

We got a good team and everyone is working towards that but the ball is definitely in managements corner.

We’re not going to rebuild or think about 3 seasons down the road…it’s all about now and how this management group can get these guys going all at the same time.

You need to deal with this as this is the reality of our current Canucks.

We have to pay the price and we will pay the price but have confidence!

This Pro Scouting group is waaaaaaaay better than Jim Benning ever envisioned and has saved both Alvin & Jimmy multiple times.

I guess this is where we differ in our assessment of the team. I wouldn't go all in this season - this team has shown me nothing to suggest they are anything like last years. If anything they're the opposite.

Petey, Miller and Demko are huge question marks and haven't played anywhere near as good as last year.

Going all in this year just seems like a big mistake and reeks of desperation.

 

[clay]

Kudryavtsev isn't playing in the top 6 next year.

You could be right but not sure what more he would need to do to get promoted. Looked great in NHL preseason, defence first player, leading the Abby D in scoring after being on the outside looking in to stay in the AHL, and is over 200 pounds so strength isn’t much of a concern.

 

[oba]

Editing ,............

 

[theguardianII]

Aquilinis, after Gillis, hired Linden as CEO; while Linden is a good dude, was way in over his head, should have trained first as an Asst. GM at very least. So Linden hired Benning. ....(skip) ... Then Aquilinis bring in the JR regime. It's all back to Franky. A lot of moves there. What's the deal?

What's the management style. The big picture.

Hire Gillis and become the best regular season team in the league two years in a row and playoffs 5 years in a row. Yes a pretty low bar compared to some other teams but the best next to Quinn's teams. Now one in a row looks good.

I didn't really read IMac's scripted interview with Allvin but it was pointed out to me one question he totally avoided which is odd.

From Imac's interview
"Sportsnet: Besides a Stanley Cup, what do you want to see from your team in 2025?

Allvin: Our identity has been very vague this (season). It hasn't been a clear path. If you don't have that, success is not sustainable long term. So what I would say is, I would like to see us playing our style and brand of hockey on a more consistent basis. I don't like to drive to the game and I don't know what I'm going to get. We need to play a certain way every night to be successful, and when we do, we're a good team. I would like to see us find our identity and consistency more. And then everything else will take care of itself."

There is no reference to the question at all, more a pray and hope answer. A search for the identity and consistency he destroyed in summer? Not even a reference to winning a Stanley Cup. Does that have any reference to how he is managing?

The core is stale
The core is the leadership
The leadership has a rift.
The leadership cannot fix itself as this has been building for YEARS.
The team has a losing mentality after most have been here for 7+ years together and years before that too.
Last year was a fluke, the Oilers starting off so badly, SJ, Anaheim tanking and Allvin getting a top pairing dman for a song with veteran dman Cole mentoring Juulsen, so a stouter than average defence corp.
They were gifted with 16+ points playing really bad (at the time) teams. Oilers - 8pts, SJ - 6pts, Ana - 8pts, Chi - 6pts, Pred - 6pts all those teams were really bad when played. 5 teams = 34pts. It is different this year though and the defence isn't nearly as good

 

[me2]

I guess this is where we differ in our assessment of the team. I wouldn't go all in this season - this team has shown me nothing to suggest they are anything like last years. If anything they're the opposite.

Petey, Miller and Demko are huge question marks and haven't played anywhere near as good as last year.

Going all in this year just seems like a big mistake and reeks of desperation.

Worst outcome is doing nothing and timing back the same mess next year. Guaranteed implosion of the Calgary style.

 

[Hodgy]

The situation is fascinating because while management will preach patience in terms of making movies, the reality is, they’ve already set their long term trajectory of competing over the next few years and there isn’t any easy way to alter that course.

 

[TruGr1t]

The situation is fascinating because while management will preach patience in terms of making movies, the reality is, they’ve already set their long term trajectory of competing over the next few years and there isn’t any easy way to alter that course.

There are ways outside of trading Hughes, they aren't exactly boxed in ... Boeser is a pending UFA, Demko, Pettersson, and Garland don't have movement clauses, they only have three defensemen under contract through 26-27, etc. Outside of Miller's NMC they can do a lot with the roster if they wanted.

Personally, I hope they do not overreact to this year, let the chips fall as they may, and do major roster surgery in the summer, if they intend to do it.

 

[Jyrki21]

Personally, I hope they do not overreact to this year, let the chips fall as they may, and do major roster surgery in the summer, if they intend to do it.

I've kept to the refrain that this season is a replay of 2007-08, and so far it has stuck to the script. Even though people were down at that point, things improved after that (albeit with a GM change). I feel they can here too, but a lot has to be managed well.

 

[Coffee]

Editing ,............

Waiting

 

[Bgav]

I was so confident in this management group last season, but the way they have handled all this and the stupid comments Allvin has really made me second think them.

 

[oba]

There's always a conflicting priority
1) GM wants long term success. Build a dynasty.
2) GM wants quick results so that the job is not in jeopardy.
Invariably, #1 conflicts with #2.

#1 is always the first, in fact the only priority.

For the fan base and community.

How many GMs are tough enough to make those correct decisions.

Allocating <serious capital> towards development and scouting <D&S> is a core part of #1.
However it isn't "sexy" and many fans don't understand it because it's delayed gratification, not instant.

________

ps. d & s ..

development means allocating serious capital including the best possible development coaching, into the entire farm system, top to bottom

true scouting is not only about physical metrics.
it also involves psychological profiling at a very adept level.

One example: why did Jamie Benn stay unpicked until the 5th round?
Ditto Toc ... most surely.
Reason, physical metrics only, not psychological.

Both 5th round Hall of Famers.

 

[Jack Burton]

a trade is coming.

I’ll take a Moritz Seider or Noah Dobson any day of the week!

We gotta get that #3 D-man who can carry a line by himself and backup a guy like Hughes.

This team would look completely different and get that offence going.

 

[Icebreakers]

Id trade Pettersson for Dobson straight up. Dont even have to add anything lol. Top pairing RH D (whos 25 years old) is the rarest commodity in hockey. The only thing that trumps it is a generational center.

Theres only 2 RHD that id take over Dobson. Makar and Fox.

 

[Jack Burton]

I was so confident in this management group last season, but the way they have handled all this and the stupid comments Allvin has really made me second think them.

They F’d up in a lot of ways.

And just like Pettersson knows he needs to get stronger, JT knows he needs to be a better person.

That’s really the bottom line


Let’s see what happens

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

They F’d up in a lot of ways.

And just like Pettersson knows he needs to get stronger, JT knows he needs to be a better person.

That’s really the bottom line


Let’s see what happens

When your posts are measured, you're a brilliant poster.

 

[Bubbles]

One example: why did Jamie Benn stay unpicked until the 5th round?

A couple of reasons. The BCHL is under scouted in general. Scouts also questioned if Benn wanted to play hockey or baseball.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

A couple of reasons. The BCHL is under scouted in general. Scouts also questioned if Benn wanted to play hockey or baseball.

BCHL *was* underscouted. At that time, the NHL was even more dominated by the OBC than it is today, which means a ton of dinosaurs and a lot of mistakes.

More time and effort and resources are spent on scouting these days. Jamie was also a two-sport athlete, I believe baseball being the other. Look out for a multi-sport athlete, because they need a f*** ton of coaching but they could be stars if they want to be.

 

[RobertKron]

Benn was also a relatively late growth spurt guy, his skating was a significant concern, and he played on a line with a 20yo Tyler Bozak who scored like 2+PPG.

IIRC, he didn't even get sent to the Junior A top prospects game his draft year, so it's not like it was just that his league was underscouted (which I don't know was necessarily a thing at that point, either) if his league wasn't even recognizing him. Turris went 3OA out of the BCHL that same year, FWIW.

 

[theguardianII]

If both are offered up and only to the east, all the teams will be in play.
This level of player is very rare to be on the block.
Teams close to a playoff spot will want them
Teams looking to change their fortunes or enthuse a market will want them
And
Teams in the show already will want them to prevent other team, rivals, from getting them.

This all changes the closer to the TDL and even more in summer, return values go down. In the summer all teams are equal, starting over but right now team are fighting for spots and for fans.

If this management has half a brain, they will not want either playing against them in the home arena more than once a year, certainly not competing for a playoff spot against them.

I think the Neely trade was mentioned here and how the Canucks were fleeced but think of our Pettersson as the then Pedersson and the return that Boston got. That could be the type of return the Canucks could get or something close to the Karlsson trade to SJ.

 

[Bubbles]

ttps://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stars-benn-almost-pursued-baseball-hockey/

It was more about his dedication to hockey, than anything else. He took hockey more seriously once drafted.

And when I mean underscouted, I mean just by the Canucks. Historically, they have not valued the BCHL, and until the new regime have shied away from the WHL (Thanks, Delorme)

 

[RobertKron]

ttps://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stars-benn-almost-pursued-baseball-hockey/

It was more about his dedication to hockey, than anything else. He took hockey more seriously once drafted.

And when I mean underscouted, I mean just by the Canucks. Historically, they have not valued the BCHL, and until the new regime have shied away from the WHL (Thanks, Delorme)

I believe his skating was considered a big issue. It was likely due in part to a lack of hockey-focused training because of the baseball stuff, and in part to him having grown like 6" in a couple years leading up to his draft, but it was a significant concern.