Management Thread | Rebuild.

[Michael Dal Swolle]

I think we have to keep in mind that DeBrusk, Boeser etc aren't the kind of name brand/premium assets that changed hands today. Reports were that a lot of teams were interested but no formal offers were, made which makes total sense with 4OA/9OA/Nemec/Eklund/Kyrou changing hands - you don't commit assets on a DeBrusk deal if you're also bidding on these guys. We're much more likely to be the secondary market and theres obviously a ton of GMs out there looking to get a deal done.

Im also not sure Kyle Davidson making the worst trade in the post pandemic era sets the market in any real way. Prices are good, but one GM losing his marbles doesn't mean we're getting a top 5 pick for EP40 or whatever.

That being said there is definitely some good business out there to be done right now and we need to be in on it at some point. Selling assets for a good price here is the first real test this management group has faced and the clock is ticking.

 

[Hodgy]

I think we have to keep in mind that DeBrusk, Boeser etc aren't the kind of name brand/premium assets that changed hands today. Reports were that a lot of teams were interested but no formal offers were, made which makes total sense with 4OA/9OA/Nemec/Eklund/Kyrou changing hands - you don't commit assets on a DeBrusk deal if you're also bidding on these guys. We're much more likely to be the secondary market and theres obviously a ton of GMs out there looking to get a deal done.

Im also not sure Kyle Davidson making the worst trade in the post pandemic era sets the market in any real way. Prices are good, but one GM losing his marbles doesn't mean we're getting a top 5 pick for EP40 or whatever.

That being said there is definitely some good business out there to be done right now and we need to be in on it at some point. Selling assets for a good price here is the first real test this management group has faced and the clock is ticking.

Boeser’s value must be near identical to Kyrou’s value, and certainly Hronek would have significantly more value.

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

Boeser’s value must be near identical to Kyrou’s value, and certainly Hronek would have significantly more value.

Kyrou has been coveted in trade since last year while Boeser apparently was not valued highly at last TDL. From a rational perspective they might be similar ish but the league clearly does not value them equally.

Hronek obviously is a premium asset but isn't being actively shopped and does not want to waive his NTC. The offer would have to be insane to pry him and I wouldn't be surprised if he's viewed as a secondary option simply because of how badly you'd have to overpay to get us to listen on him

 

[racerjoe]

What indicator did I give that I'm angry?

Frustrated and expecting to be disappointed would be better descriptors.

Look at the Byram trade. Buyers are paying insane value right now.

It would be negligent at this point if they didn't garner interest on Hronek.

As I stated in a different post, if they haven't done anything to add draft captial by the end of the draft when they should be one of the top sellers based on the current state of the team, I'd be extremely disapppinted.

Why are you frustrated…. Like it’s dumb.

We aren’t trading Hronek… even if you want to, everything we have heard says he isn’t waiving is nmc.

You have given no realistic expectation… if someone is moved from the guys we have left, and I think we will see some moved, they are guys to be moved as secondary prizes not a teams top target

 

[StreetHawk]

Why are you frustrated…. Like it’s dumb.

We aren’t trading Hronek… even if you want to, everything we have heard says he isn’t waiving is nmc.

You have given no realistic expectation… if someone is moved from the guys we have left, and I think we will see some moved, they are guys to be moved as secondary prizes not a teams top target

DeBrusk is the only guy with nmc that has asked out.
MP had a down year.
Brock as well.

Plus age. Sea was not targeting 29 year olds. Neither was Cal. Eklund was from ‘21 draft.

 

[beachcomber]

They are standing pat.

 

[mriswith]

If we don't deal anyone by the draft I will downgrade my opinion of this group immediately.

 

[racerjoe]

DeBrusk is the only guy with nmc that has asked out.
MP had a down year.
Brock as well.

Plus age. Sea was not targeting 29 year olds. Neither was Cal. Eklund was from ‘21 draft.

Exactly… like no one notices the difference?

 

[Hit the post]

To be fair you're probably not going to find a team that values Hronek like Chicago valued Byram.

If the Oilers had Hronek, maybe they win at least one of those two Finals. Perfect fit for that team who need a player like him as much as a goalie.

 

[StreetHawk]

If the Oilers had Hronek, maybe they win at least one of those two Finals. Perfect fit for that team who need a player like him as much as a goalie.

Problem is what do Edm have?

Between the nmc and teams that are in compete now, and I would include Utah and Ana in compete now, is there a fit?

 

[tantalum]

If we don't deal anyone by the draft I will downgrade my opinion of this group immediately.

Why? The players they have are likely to be more valuable nearer the deadline than the draft. This draft also isn’t that strong which is likely why you see so much early activity this year. The off-season and rebuild is long. No opinion should really be formed on a Completely new front office and coaching staff the first week of the off season. There is just not enough information to be impressed or not.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Exactly… like no one notices the difference?

I think ppl just want something new to talk about

 

[racerjoe]

I think ppl just want something new to talk about

I can totally understand it. But there is wanting to talk about it and being unrealistic.

I will be mad if we make no moves between now and the start of the season… but we are a long way from that.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Why? The players they have are likely to be more valuable nearer the deadline than the draft. This draft also isn’t that strong which is likely why you see so much early activity this year. The off-season and rebuild is long. No opinion should really be formed on a Completely new front office and coaching staff the first week of the off season. There is just not enough information to be impressed or not.

I think mriswith is referring to DeBrusk, who has stated he wants out. He probably should go by the draft unless Johnson is being tested with poor offers...

The idea of a quick cycle of players has been pushed by Drance. VAN sells what it has and signs more players to sell. The ultimate goal being pick volume and roster spots for young players. But I think he's wrong about this approach.

What they have now, in quality, is unlikely to be bettered by what they can get from now on. They're not getting a better mid-aged DeBrusk or Boeser. And so, selling well on those players first is the priority, and then cycling in players for volume follows afterward. Otherwise, it's a pure pick volume game and quality is sacrificed.

Slow down. Make value trades. Don't trade for the sake of trading... Even if it does frustrate the fan base.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think mriswith is referring to DeBrusk, who has stated he wants out. He probably should go by the draft unless Johnson is being tested with poor offers...

The idea of a quick cycle of players has been pushed by Drance. VAN sells what it has and signs more players to sell. The ultimate goal being pick volume and roster spots for young players. But I think he's wrong about this approach.

What they have now, in quality, is unlikely to be bettered by what they can get from now on. They're not getting a better mid-aged DeBrusk or Boeser. And so, selling well on those players first is l the priority, and then cycling in players for volume follows that. Otherwise, it's a pure pick volume game and quality is sacrificed.

Slow down. Make value trades. Don't trade for the sake of trading... Even if it does frustrate the fan base.

DeBrusk has a nmc. So, his list should be more wide than Kyrou who I believe had ntc. Kyrou the better player. Both wanted out. Jake isn’t good enough to have a very narrow list.

I think teams are swinging bigger than Debrusk. Or with Seattle swinging on a much younger player with upside.

 

[IComeInPeace]

I want some entertainment as much as the next guy but we are a few days into a ~5 year rebuild, and people are already bailing because we haven’t made a trade.

How does management rushing to make trades right now help us in the long run?

“RJ we demand you extract maximum returns for 2nd rate assets (and it should have happened yesterday you idiot)!”

 

[mriswith]

I'm not going to bail on the group or immediately think they're bad, but I will definitely be less optimistic.

People said those same lines ^ when I roasted the last group for sitting on their hands their entire first year when quick, decisive action and turnover was desperately needed and none of the excuses for those guys were valid, it just became abundantly clear that they hadn't done a lick of homework on the group before starting and it took them an extremely valuable and costly year of relative inactivity to chart out a course of action.

Why? The players they have are likely to be more valuable nearer the deadline than the draft. This draft also isn’t that strong which is likely why you see so much early activity this year. The off-season and rebuild is long. No opinion should really be formed on a Completely new front office and coaching staff the first week of the off season. There is just not enough information to be impressed or not.

We have multiple players that need to go as soon as possible, a bunch more players that should be actively on the market being shopped, and a starving, ravenous market for talent coinciding with 2026 draft picks being anomalously low value to GM's.

Waiting until the next deadline might be acceptable for some of our guys but not all of them and I have always been of the opinion that you strike when the iron is hot and market value is acceptable. I've never liked gambling that at some point in the distant future the iron will be a little hotter or a GM a little dumber, when market prices are acceptable you should act immediately and market prices for sellers are spectacular right now.

My gut feeling of our new front office is that they're going to be slow, cautious and conservative in their approach because they're all so new and inexperienced and none of them come across as capable of being aggressive with any aspect of turnover a front office deals with, both internal and external. If they have made no moves this week it's going to reinforce my perception of them.

Sure I would rather get 2027 1sts for our players unless it's top 15 2026 picks but I don't see it being a likelihood we can rely on that we're getting more value later for the guys that need to go and we have added incentive for some of these guys to go to clear out ice time and reinforce the tank since Foote's gone.

Sure these guys could do nothing this week and then hit home runs all summer and at the trade deadline but that's definitely not going to be my perception of what's going to happen if we make no moves while the market is frothing and massively tilted in favour of sellers. Or maybe the rumours come out that none of of our guys had any value but haven't we already seen that excuse come and go, with history proving it completely wrong, enough times in the last decade already?

 

[StreetHawk]

My gut feeling of our new front office is that they're going to be slow, cautious and conservative in their approach because they're all so new and inexperienced and none of them come across as capable of being aggressive with any aspect of turnover a front office deals with, both internal and external. If they have made no moves this week it's going to reinforce my perception of them.

All of Hronek, MPetey, Petey, Boeser, Debrusk have a nmc since it's so early in their contracts (first half). Who's giving a list that is reasonable for their level of play? Jake is saying he wants to join a "good" team. Sure... going to have to lower his expectations. TB/FLA/LV/Col/Dal are not calling on Debrusk.

 

[I am toxic]

saying rebuild doesn't make it a rebuild

it makes it words, words as valuable as the words I type

yes, that valuable

 

[F A N]

I'm not going to bail on the group or immediately think they're bad, but I will definitely be less optimistic.

People said those same lines ^ when I roasted the last group for sitting on their hands their entire first year when quick, decisive action and turnover was desperately needed and none of the excuses for those guys were valid, it just became abundantly clear that they hadn't done a lick of homework on the group before starting and it took them an extremely valuable and costly year of relative inactivity to chart out a course of action.

Since I don't know what players/assets management is targeting and what offers were made, I'm not going to pass judgment on current management for not having done anything yet. It's possible that their focus on rounding out the management team, looking at assistant coaches, and preparing for the draft etc. caused them to miss out on certain deals that could have been made.

As far as doing "homework on the group before starting," they shouldn't need to do homework. Aside from the coaching staff (where we only have Malhotra and the goalie and video coaches in place), pretty much everyone from the POHO on down to the pro scouts have been here. Even our former POHO is still here as an advisor. There's absolutely no reason why RJ, the assistant GMs, and the pro scouts have to do any "homework on the group." The Sedins should also have seen enough of our players to form an opinion.

 

[tantalum]

I'm not going to bail on the group or immediately think they're bad, but I will definitely be less optimistic.

People said those same lines ^ when I roasted the last group for sitting on their hands their entire first year when quick, decisive action and turnover was desperately needed and none of the excuses for those guys were valid, it just became abundantly clear that they hadn't done a lick of homework on the group before starting and it took them an extremely valuable and costly year of relative inactivity to chart out a course of action.




We have multiple players that need to go as soon as possible, a bunch more players that should be actively on the market being shopped, and a starving, ravenous market for talent coinciding with 2026 draft picks being anomalously low value to GM's.

Waiting until the next deadline might be acceptable for some of our guys but not all of them and I have always been of the opinion that you strike when the iron is hot and market value is acceptable. I've never liked gambling that at some point in the distant future the iron will be a little hotter or a GM a little dumber, when market prices are acceptable you should act immediately and market prices for sellers are spectacular right now.

My gut feeling of our new front office is that they're going to be slow, cautious and conservative in their approach because they're all so new and inexperienced and none of them come across as capable of being aggressive with any aspect of turnover a front office deals with, both internal and external. If they have made no moves this week it's going to reinforce my perception of them.

Sure I would rather get 2027 1sts for our players unless it's top 15 2026 picks but I don't see it being a likelihood we can rely on that we're getting more value later for the guys that need to go and we have added incentive for some of these guys to go to clear out ice time and reinforce the tank since Foote's gone.

Sure these guys could do nothing this week and then hit home runs all summer and at the trade deadline but that's definitely not going to be my perception of what's going to happen if we make no moves while the market is frothing and massively tilted in favour of sellers. Or maybe the rumours come out that none of of our guys had any value but haven't we already seen that excuse come and go, with history proving it completely wrong, enough times in the last decade already?

Why do they need to be moved as soon as possible?

Only one player needs to be moved before camp from anything we've heard. That's Debrusk because he wants out. You don't have him in camp. But the others have not asked and in some cases WANT to remain. And honestly most of those guys are in a valley in terms of value. It makes may make more sense to try to rehab the value as much as possible to maximize return later on down the line if the returns right now are not that helpful (there is no cap crunch or anything so any trade needs to bring value to the future organization). Now if you get offered a good return without that rehab then sure absolutely move them but we don't know if that is out there for these players.

 

[MS]

Why? The players they have are likely to be more valuable nearer the deadline than the draft. This draft also isn’t that strong which is likely why you see so much early activity this year. The off-season and rebuild is long. No opinion should really be formed on a Completely new front office and coaching staff the first week of the off season. There is just not enough information to be impressed or not.

If multiple teams are interested in Debrusk and they can't make a deal happen before the draft, that's not a good sign. At all.

 

[StreetHawk]

If multiple teams are interested in Debrusk and they can't make a deal happen before the draft, that's not a good sign. At all.

I agree. Not sure if Debrusk really has that kind of value. How open is his list? Cause, he's really not a target for top clubs. More middle of the pack type teams. thus, Ott was mentioned before. That makes sense.

Wash bet on Kyrou to bounce back. Are there clubs that are hoping for the same on M. Pete?

Brock and Petey, both 2 down years after '24. So, I get reservations on them.

 

[RobsonStreet]

If multiple teams are interested in Debrusk and they can't make a deal happen before the draft, that's not a good sign. At all.

It’s certainly a lot harder to move players at the deadline when teams are capped out and rosters are largely set. See: every post-deadline when GMs say “prices were too high”

 

[tantalum]

If multiple teams are interested in Debrusk and they can't make a deal happen before the draft, that's not a good sign. At all.

But are they? And given the weak free agent market I don't think the draft needs to be the deadline for that move.

Jenner and Mantha are like the top wingers headed to free agency.