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Management did probably make an over correction on the defensive side. Obviously because they felt a team lacking offence needed another defender. Probably cost them a higher tier of center in this draft because of it. So they will over correct again and take some more short cuts to keep in that never going to win a f-ing thing category.
 
Personally I think management while having obvious missteps in the end positioned the team well moving forward by building blueline out. Certainly some luck with the rapid development of EP2. But the blueline looks to be stabilized (minus the obvious question around Hughes but I expect that will be much ado about nothing).

Now on to the real question....

When do they trade Garland for Michkov? :sarcasm:

Toch loves himself some Garland.
 
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Being a 10th OA pick for this team is too much pressure for him. We know that the issue with him is his mindset and I am not sure he can further his development here. He just can't seem to play the game without overthinking here. At the end of the day, he played like the full season with 2 generational player and put up 24pts so wtf are we arguing here. It's not like he put up 24pts playing with 4th line guys.

How many players here have been criticized for overthinking? It seems to be quite a common criticism.

Pods actually didn't spend much time with McDavid. He was also more productive alongside Drai than Arvidsson was. Regardless, there is value in bottom 6 players as well. Heck we traded a 5th last year for Lafferty to put up 24 points while providing some size and speed and most of us thought that was a good acquisition at the time.
 
How many players here have been criticized for overthinking? It seems to be quite a common criticism.

Pods actually didn't spend much time with McDavid. He was also more productive alongside Drai than Arvidsson was. Regardless, there is value in bottom 6 players as well. Heck we traded a 5th last year for Lafferty to put up 24 points while providing some size and speed and most of us thought that was a good acquisition at the time.
Sure... but how many of those points were scored with Petey when he was on fire? This year he had 7 pts in 60 games in buffalo... and thats the point, these guys grow on trees.
 
Sure... but how many of those points were scored with Petey when he was on fire? This year he had 7 pts in 60 games in buffalo... and thats the point, these guys grow on trees.
But we haven't been able to grow them (especially guys under 25 years of age) otherwise we wouldn't have traded a pick for Lafferty. Here are the 4th round picks (forwards) this management group drafted: Patterson, Muller, Alriksson, Perkins, and Gardner. How many of these guys do you think will grow into similar players as Pods and Lafferty? Even guys like Lockwood, Madden, and Cassels they didn't develop into useful bottom 6 forwards.
 
But we haven't been able to grow them (especially guys under 25 years of age) otherwise we wouldn't have traded a pick for Lafferty. Here are the 4th round picks (forwards) this management group drafted: Patterson, Muller, Alriksson, Perkins, and Gardner. How many of these guys do you think will grow into similar players as Pods and Lafferty? Even guys like Lockwood, Madden, and Cassels they didn't develop into useful bottom 6 forwards.

You are kind of confusing me...

So we should not have traded for Lafferty?

Who cares what the draft picks become or don't... its having the asset maybe you use it for a player in a trade, or maybe you use it to invest in your future.

But a player like Pods has no value. Just like at the end of the season Lafferty had no value... we got something for him, and replaced him pretty easily. Hell the guy we just signed from Latvia... probably currently holds more value. A number of guys we signed or played for us last year seem to be better too.
 
How many players here have been criticized for overthinking? It seems to be quite a common criticism.

Pods actually didn't spend much time with McDavid. He was also more productive alongside Drai than Arvidsson was. Regardless, there is value in bottom 6 players as well. Heck we traded a 5th last year for Lafferty to put up 24 points while providing some size and speed and most of us thought that was a good acquisition at the time.
yeah and a lot of them can't get over that, I think him being a high profile prospect here is a real contributing factor for that.

He put up 24 pts this season playing beside Leon motherf***ing Draisaitl. That's really not the same as Laff putting up 24pts playing on the 3rd or 4th line. I think it's not crazy to assume any NHL calibre level player can pickup 24ish points playing with a 100+ point center. Actually there is kinda an answer to that, looking at his common linmates stats, for the 1st half, Draisatil was his most common linemmate and he put up like 16 points. In the 2nd half, he played with Drai less and he had 8 points in the whole 2nd half. So he's a 16ish point guy away from Draisaitl. How much value does a 16ish point 3rd/4th line winger have? He would need to be absolutely elite at something to actually warrant the amount of convo we are hvaing now.
 
You are kind of confusing me...

So we should not have traded for Lafferty?
We traded a 5th round pick for Lafferty which the majority of us thought was a good trade. You said that players like Lafferty and Podkolzin grow on trees. My point is that if they are so easily to obtain there should be no need to trade a pick to acquire such an easily obtainable player (we should be able to sign one in the offseason for cheap or pick a guy up on waivers).

Who cares what the draft picks become or don't... its having the asset maybe you use it for a player in a trade, or maybe you use it to invest in your future.
There is inherent value in a draft pick but ultimate the base value is the prospect you can draft with the draft pick. Management should be evaluating the type of player they could draft from the pick vs the player they are giving up to obtain such pick. It's no different from valuing later round draft picks in a deep draft more than in expected weak drafts.

But a player like Pods has no value.
We got a 4th round pick for him.
Just like at the end of the season Lafferty had no value...
Well he was a pending UFA...
 
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We traded a 5th round pick for Lafferty which the majority of us thought was a good trade. You said that players like Lafferty and Podkolzin grow on trees. My point is that if they are so easily to obtain there should be no need to trade a pick to acquire such an easily obtainable player (we should be able to sign one in the offseason for cheap or pick a guy up on waivers).


There is inherent value in a draft pick but ultimate the base value is the prospect you can draft with the draft pick. Management should be evaluating the type of player they could draft from the pick vs the player they are giving up to obtain such pick. It's no different from valuing later round draft picks in a deep draft more than in expected weak drafts.


We got a 4th round pick for him.

Well he was a pending UFA...

So Lafferty, who did better than pods this year got less then pods who did worse while playing with a top 3 player in the NHL today...

We got more Value for Pods...

But yeah neither player should hold any value really. Our tweeners this year I thought were all mostly better, and were waver exempt.
 
Canucks were already clearing out Mikheyev's contract and Lafferty e was UFA in a few days anyway. The Blackhawks wanted his negotiating rights. Everyone remains confused about this part of that trade.

I think there is nothing more to it than what your said. Canucuks we're not re-signing him and the blackhawks wanted to give it a try. Nothing to lose from the Canucks and nothing to lose from the blackhawks in trying.
 
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So Lafferty, who did better than pods this year got less then pods who did worse while playing with a top 3 player in the NHL today...
Huh?
We got more Value for Pods...
So you agree that Pods has more than "no value"?
But yeah neither player should hold any value really. Our tweeners this year I thought were all mostly better, and were waver exempt.
Now you're confusing me. Podkolzin isn't a tweener. He can certainly be plugged into any 4th line in the NHL without issue.
 

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