Management did probably make an over correction on the defensive side. Obviously because they felt a team lacking offence needed another defender. Probably cost them a higher tier of center in this draft because of it. So they will over correct again and take some more short cuts to keep in that never going to win a f-ing thing category.
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Personally I think management while having obvious missteps in the end positioned the team well moving forward by building blueline out. Certainly some luck with the rapid development of EP2. But the blueline looks to be stabilized (minus the obvious question around Hughes but I expect that will be much ado about nothing).
Now on to the real question....
When do they trade Garland for Michkov?
Toch loves himself some Garland.
Now on to the real question....
When do they trade Garland for Michkov?
Toch loves himself some Garland.
How many players here have been criticized for overthinking? It seems to be quite a common criticism.
Pods actually didn't spend much time with McDavid. He was also more productive alongside Drai than Arvidsson was. Regardless, there is value in bottom 6 players as well. Heck we traded a 5th last year for Lafferty to put up 24 points while providing some size and speed and most of us thought that was a good acquisition at the time.
Sure... but how many of those points were scored with Petey when he was on fire? This year he had 7 pts in 60 games in buffalo... and thats the point, these guys grow on trees.
But we haven't been able to grow them (especially guys under 25 years of age) otherwise we wouldn't have traded a pick for Lafferty. Here are the 4th round picks (forwards) this management group drafted: Patterson, Muller, Alriksson, Perkins, and Gardner. How many of these guys do you think will grow into similar players as Pods and Lafferty? Even guys like Lockwood, Madden, and Cassels they didn't develop into useful bottom 6 forwards.
You are kind of confusing me...
So we should not have traded for Lafferty?
Who cares what the draft picks become or don't... its having the asset maybe you use it for a player in a trade, or maybe you use it to invest in your future.
But a player like Pods has no value. Just like at the end of the season Lafferty had no value... we got something for him, and replaced him pretty easily. Hell the guy we just signed from Latvia... probably currently holds more value. A number of guys we signed or played for us last year seem to be better too.
yeah and a lot of them can't get over that, I think him being a high profile prospect here is a real contributing factor for that.
He put up 24 pts this season playing beside Leon motherf***ing Draisaitl. That's really not the same as Laff putting up 24pts playing on the 3rd or 4th line. I think it's not crazy to assume any NHL calibre level player can pickup 24ish points playing with a 100+ point center. Actually there is kinda an answer to that, looking at his common linmates stats, for the 1st half, Draisatil was his most common linemmate and he put up like 16 points. In the 2nd half, he played with Drai less and he had 8 points in the whole 2nd half. So he's a 16ish point guy away from Draisaitl. How much value does a 16ish point 3rd/4th line winger have? He would need to be absolutely elite at something to actually warrant the amount of convo we are hvaing now.
We traded a 5th round pick for Lafferty which the majority of us thought was a good trade. You said that players like Lafferty and Podkolzin grow on trees. My point is that if they are so easily to obtain there should be no need to trade a pick to acquire such an easily obtainable player (we should be able to sign one in the offseason for cheap or pick a guy up on waivers).
There is inherent value in a draft pick but ultimate the base value is the prospect you can draft with the draft pick. Management should be evaluating the type of player they could draft from the pick vs the player they are giving up to obtain such pick. It's no different from valuing later round draft picks in a deep draft more than in expected weak drafts.
We got a 4th round pick for him.
Well he was a pending UFA...
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So Lafferty, who did better than pods this year got less then pods who did worse while playing with a top 3 player in the NHL today...
We got more Value for Pods...
But yeah neither player should hold any value really. Our tweeners this year I thought were all mostly better, and were waver exempt.
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Go ahead foot
I think there is nothing more to it than what your said. Canucuks we're not re-signing him and the blackhawks wanted to give it a try. Nothing to lose from the Canucks and nothing to lose from the blackhawks in trying.
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The Lafferty-for-a-5th-rounder debacle will haunt these boards for decades
Huh?
So you agree that Pods has more than "no value"?
Now you're confusing me. Podkolzin isn't a tweener. He can certainly be plugged into any 4th line in the NHL without issue.
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Personally I think management while having obvious missteps in the end positioned the team well moving forward by building blueline out. Certainly some luck with the rapid development of EP2. But the blueline looks to be stabilized (minus the obvious question around Hughes but I expect that will be much ado about nothing).
Now on to the real question....
When do they trade Garland for Michkov?
Toch loves himself some Garland.
I'm curious as to your thoughts on this Tant: Why do you think the team is better positioned now, by building the blueline out?
To me it's not about building from one area or another, but having the talent at the top of each area to carry the team. Top6F/Top4D/1G. They've got 2 aspects sorted and are very much behind the eight ball on the 3rd. Which, if you compare it to what they had before, was very similar.
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First I’m talking about compared to Christmas timeframe. The blueline was a major issue. A lot of that was injury but it became obvious they needed a #3. They got that in MP. Hell I think they got a steal with him. And overall I think it’s better positioned because I believe building a solid blueline is very important for success. Along with poor goaltending I think this is the biggest reason many teams lose in the playoffs….poor blueline depth.
In addition, I believe that addressing things up front is much easier through free agency and trade than it is to address the back end. So, to me, having that sorted right now is good place to start a summer off.
In addition, I believe that addressing things up front is much easier through free agency and trade than it is to address the back end. So, to me, having that sorted right now is good place to start a summer off.
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Crossover with Canucks Talk, Dhaliwal:
Mid season of the Horvat trade year they discussed buying out OEL, but it was rejected. Then they tried to move out Myers and Garland, but nobody wanted them, and then were forced to revisit the OEL buyout at the end of that year.
Could you imagine if the OEL buyout was assured earlier and they could re-up Horvat to his new AAV because of it?
Damn.
Mid season of the Horvat trade year they discussed buying out OEL, but it was rejected. Then they tried to move out Myers and Garland, but nobody wanted them, and then were forced to revisit the OEL buyout at the end of that year.
Could you imagine if the OEL buyout was assured earlier and they could re-up Horvat to his new AAV because of it?
Damn.
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Lol. I don't consider Pods a tweener because there is a role that he can play for pretty much any team in the league. Like I wouldn't call Pius Suter a tweener even if you think of him as a "5C".
Comparing Suter to Pods is weird... but ok. I wouldn't call Suter a tweener either.
No I get your point, but you keep wanting to try and make Pods something he is not.
What's with these Jake Tapper-like revelations?
Summer 2022 (before the Canucks traded Horvat) multiple reporters and "insiders" all say that the teams were interested in Myers. Friedman reported that the Canucks had set a price on Myers and will speak to teams if they're willing to pay the price. I don't think anybody can genuinely interpret these reports as saying the Canucks couldn't dump Myers' contract (or the bulk of it).
Dhaliwal tweeted Friedman's reporting in October 2022 that Horvat's comparable was Couturier (i.e. $7.7M a year). The Canucks' last offer to Horvat was reported to be 7x$7.5M. When the last contract was rejected, Dhaliwal declared that the Canucks can't sign another $8M player. The Canucks initially tried to sign Horvat to a RNH-like deal.
We've had threads upon threads of discussions here. I don't recall anybody here saying we should pay Miller and Horvat $8M AAV and extend Petey. I don't recall there being too many posters here who thought Horvat was worth 8x$8M. Most of the discussions envisioned an either or scenario + Petey.
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