Management Thread Blurst of Times

[F A N]

I'd be happy to have him still. He's a useful player. But getting a pick for him instead of losing him for nothing is hardly the end of the world.

This is the common narrative but why do we have to lose him for nothing? Why not make room for a guy who the team has spent time developing and looks like a player your head coach would like? The team should look to get younger and faster and Pods is now one of the faster players in the league and he combines that with good size and physical play. More importantly, he is actually good defensively. He's a player Tocchet did like and would like even more this season. But management thought Sprong might be a better fit?

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

This is the common narrative but why do we have to lose him for nothing? Why not make room for a guy who the team has spent time developing and looks like a player your head coach would like? The team should look to get younger and faster and Pods is now one of the faster players in the league and he combines that with good size and physical play. More importantly, he is actually good defensively. He's a player Tocchet did like and would like even more this season. But management thought Sprong might be a better fit?

Fair enough.

 

[ManVanFan]

"There have been lots of suggestions in the days since Adam Foote was promoted. Marc Crawford, Tony Granato, Dallas Eakins, how about Gerard Gallant? Foote played for Gallant in Columbus and it's fair to wonder how badly Gallant wants back into the NHL having been out of the league for a couple of seasons now." Paterson said.

Dallas Eakins was a defencemen in the NHL. Are they going to have two coaches with more experience then Foote as HC's behind him?

I don't think Van has the right roster for Gallant style of play.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I think Pettersson felt as if he was better off resting his knee and not aggravating his tendonitis over the summer. It's possible he was pushed to train/play through it, whereas he felt as if he knew his own body and his own needs better and had a problem with Miller/whoever else telling him to suck it up and be a man.

I dont believe he decides this him self.

It has to be a decision and a plan by the team around him that he then followed.

Pettersson seems like he's not receptive at all to the sort of North American machismo "play through it" warrior culture, at least for certain chronic injuries/in the offseason. I think he would still have the competitive drive and pride to play through certain injuries in critical moments down the stretch or in the playoffs, but I think Miller and Tocchet's "motivation" went in one ear and out the other for him.

I think injuries get to his head more then for most top level athletes.

But yeah. Agree.

 

[JT Milker]

I dont believe he decides this him self.

It has to be a decision and a plan by the team around him that he then followed.


I think injuries get to his head more then for most top level athletes.

But yeah. Agree.

There is zero chance pettersson did exactly what the team expected him to.

 

[Gurn]

Miller
Horvatt
e.P.

has become
a broken E.P
a broken Chytil

trending- not so good.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

There is zero chance pettersson did exactly what the team expected him to.

The team of trainers he employs in sweden.

I doubt that. But feel free to think so.

 

[racerjoe]

Miller
Horvatt
e.P.

has become
a broken E.P
a broken Chytil

trending- not so good.

Not even that I think management didn't make a mistake, but you left out the biggest two assets from losing Horvat and Miller.

Hronek
M Pettersson.

 

[Gurn]

Not even that I think management didn't make a mistake, but you left out the biggest two assets from losing Horvat and Miller.

Hronek
M Pettersson.

Marcus has been ok.
Hronek has been a big disappointment.
Guy goes missing, offensively for large periods of time-and out of all the time that Hughes was missing- Hronek played well for less than half those games.
He's ok as a second fiddle- but seems unable to consistently lead a pairing.
plus the guy misses a lot of games. whole lot of meh- in an expensive package.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Not even that I think management didn't make a mistake, but you left out the biggest two assets from losing Horvat and Miller.

Hronek
M Pettersson.

Fact is the team got less talented with both moves.

 

[racerjoe]

Fact is the team got less talented with both moves.

Maybe, but that wasn't the point.

 

[Gurn]

Maybe, but that wasn't the point.

correct- the point was we used to have 3 fine centers, now we don't.

 

[racerjoe]

correct- the point was we used to have 3 fine centers, now we don't.

But we have a #2 and a # 3 defence man... which you conveniently left off your list.

 

[Gurn]

But we have a #2 and a # 3 defence man... which you conveniently left off your list.

My list was about forwards. Not D- you came in to say your bit, and seem happey with both those D.
I'm ok with one of them and find the other to be not very good.
and we are now weak at center.

Pepperidge Farm remembers how this all started, and what the point was, even if you don't.

 

[racerjoe]

My list was about forwards. Not D- you came in to say your bit, and seem happey with both those D.
I'm ok with one of them and find the other to be not very good.
and we are now weak at center.

Pepperidge Farm remembers how this all started, and what the point was, even if you don't.

Maybe I misinterpreted your first post, good for peperidge farm... but Western Family still thinks your evaluation of Defense is well not good.

 

[ephmrl]

My list was about forwards. Not D- you came in to say your bit, and seem happey with both those D.
I'm ok with one of them and find the other to be not very good.
and we are now weak at center.

Pepperidge Farm remembers how this all started, and what the point was, even if you don't.

You’re on a bit of an island with your evaluation of Hronek. Obviously your perspective will be skewed by that. Many people (including me) see him as a very good #2, and that’s a valuable commodity that’s almost impossible to acquire through trades.

We went from being incredibly weak on defense and strong down the middle to the inverse. Now we’ve got the opposite problem, but luckily it’s easier to acquire centers than right shot defensemen.

 

[I am toxic]

Maybe I misinterpreted your first post, good for peperidge farm... but Western Family still thinks your evaluation of Defense is well not good.

so does Kirkland

and President's Choice

and Compliments

 

[I am toxic]

// but luckily it’s easier to acquire centers than right shot defensemen.

unless you are Calgary, and another GM runs out of time

 

[oba]

not sure if this has already been discussed in a why did toc go thread, but ... Playoff success seems to pinge on a very heavy and hungry team.
Miller had some of that quality.
So trading for a really delicate player?
Seriously.... goes in the wrong direction for sure ...
Just 2 bits.

so probably the coach - GM working relationship.
fumbling the Z resigning.
then providing "that" D crew in October ....

 

[F A N]

not sure if this has already been discussed in a why did toc go thread, but ... Playoff success seems to pinge on a very heavy and hungry team.
Miller had some of that quality.
So trading for a really delicate player?
Seriously.... goes in the wrong direction for sure ...
Just 2 bits.

Are you referring to Chytil? Chytil is only a “delicate” player because he gets injured all the time. Otherwise, he is capable of playing a heavy game and has shown it in the past in the playoffs.

so the big q .....
a swedish GM ?
optimal?

What do you mean by this? That having a Swedish GM isn’t optimal?

 

[oba]

how long do delicate players last when the checking is 2x as hard.

I adjusted the post to better grok the GM relationship. also toc didn't like the "East west" type of player either.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Maybe, but that wasn't the point.

Probably the guys point was our center depth?

Not what we got in trades.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Marcus has been ok.
Hronek has been a big disappointment.
Guy goes missing, offensively for large periods of time-and out of all the time that Hughes was missing- Hronek played well for less than half those games.
He's ok as a second fiddle- but seems unable to consistently lead a pairing.
plus the guy misses a lot of games. whole lot of meh- in an expensive package.

Hilarious.

We have a top pairing RD signed to an absolute steal with the cap going up. Your evaluation is seriously flawed and seems to impact your overall outlook on the trade.

 

[arttk]

This is the common narrative but why do we have to lose him for nothing? Why not make room for a guy who the team has spent time developing and looks like a player your head coach would like? The team should look to get younger and faster and Pods is now one of the faster players in the league and he combines that with good size and physical play. More importantly, he is actually good defensively. He's a player Tocchet did like and would like even more this season. But management thought Sprong might be a better fit?

Being a 10th OA pick for this team is too much pressure for him. We know that the issue with him is his mindset and I am not sure he can further his development here. He just can't seem to play the game without overthinking here. At the end of the day, he played like the full season with 2 generational player and put up 24pts so wtf are we arguing here. It's not like he put up 24pts playing with 4th line guys.

 

[God]

Nobody in Buffalo was crying when 8th overall pick Taylor Pyatt left to sign with us because he just wasn't that good. And it's great that Podz has found a home there, but I probably wouldn't take him over any of our forwards to end the season.