Management Thread Blurst of Times

[Oliewud]

I never understood the logic behind trading Podkolzin. At just 22 years old, he was a former first-round pick earning a modest $1 million on the fourth line. He wasn’t lighting up the scoresheet, but he wasn’t a liability either—he worked hard, played with physicality, and still had room to grow. For a team that supposedly values drafting and development, why move on from a young, cost-controlled asset with untapped potential?

What’s the plan here? Are we prioritizing short-term "grit" over long-term upside? If it’s a cap-saving move, $1 million is peanuts in today’s NHL. If it’s about roster spots, why not give a homegrown player more time to carve out a role? The trade feels like a sideways move at best, and at worst, another example of this franchise’s impatience.

Tocchet preaches accountability, but accountability shouldn’t mean discarding prospects before they’ve had a real chance. Podkolzin wasn’t a problem—he was a project. This kind of decision-making makes me question the vision. Are we building something sustainable, or just shuffling deck chairs?

Nailed it.

Their record doesn't match their rhetoric.

 

[BOBBY9]

Anybody see the video of Allvin at the ticket holders meeting?

Was asked about the JT vs EP thing and he elaborated a bit.

"JT came in to the season very in shape and some younger players didn't" was something that stuck out. Small leaks are starting to form a story about what happened.

 

[I am toxic]

Ruthervin doubling down on the "Petey was lazy" story

Huh

You overplayed him, led to an overuse injury, you kept playing him, and destroyed his knee

I would definitely double down on the "Petey was lazy" claptrap too, some people will lap it up

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Ruthervin doubling down on the "Petey was lazy" story

Huh

You overplayed him, led to an overuse injury, you kept playing him, and destroyed his knee

I would definitely double down on the "Petey was lazy" claptrap too, some people will lap it up

We have two scenario's

1) Pettersson gave no f***s about any off-season training. Showed up to camp out of shape. Miller gets frustrated and management trades him to placate the guy who didn't bother coming to camp in shape establishing a shit message to the rest of the team.

2) Pettersson was injured in the 2023-24 season and management dropped the ball several times forcing him to play through it.

Either way, the Vancouver Canucks franchise is a total joke right now.

 

[theguardianII]

We have two scenario's

1) Pettersson gave no f***s about any off-season training. Showed up to camp out of shape. Miller gets frustrated and management trades him to placate the guy who didn't bother coming to camp in shape establishing a shit message to the rest of the team.

2) Pettersson was injured in the 2023-24 season and management dropped the ball several times forcing him to play through it.

Either way, the Vancouver Canucks franchise is a total joke right now.

There are more than two scenario's, those are the one's management want out there.
There are always lot's of behind the scene's shat that happens that is kept on the QT.

The EP/JTM issue may have been worsened in the room by Tocchet taking one player's side after the dust up at practice.
I pity Hughes who had to take a stand one way or the other.

The training thing, funny after the posts of him working out in the summer AND he had all year to get into shape physically so just maybe it was something else, something to do with his environment.

At any rate the summer training issue is a weak excuse AND they, Allvin, now has the market set against him and this accusation will stay with him for years and especially in this market.
IMO Allvin is used to Pittsburgh where the team is 2nd or 3rd fiddle and comments like this go away after a news cycle which only shows how naive he is about this market.

Allvin stated he knew nothing about EP's comment about having a bad knee, but Tocchet came up with the "tendonitis and it is nothing" comment. Tendonitis is not nothing, the only cure is rest or it can become chronic so working out really hard this summer could aggravate that injury if it exists.

Vancouver IS NOT a favored destination for high skilled players right now.
Let's say they do force a player without a clause into coming here but he doesn't want to be here, these guys aren't slaves or indentured, they have opinions. Is having a player that wants out good?
The only skilled guys, highly skilled guys, they can get are RFA's or draft picked. The draft is where they got most of the best players this team has ever had and most in the top 10 picks, Linden was #2, Sedins were #'s 2 & 3, Horvat was #10, Hughes #7, Pettersson #5 and you can go back further or deeper into the draft for some of the better players as well.

I totally agree the team is a mess, BUT it could be rejigged with a "build" using the draft and at least one big trade and another that might seem to lose now but benefit in a couple of years.
Rutherford showed he can fill in a group pretty quick, all he needs is a group to fill in for, a new younger core and those come via the draft. Otherwise it is year after year of trying to make the playoffs with maybe one decent season thrown in when the window has diminished to a year or two.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Rutherford still blames the Pettersson/Miller issue in the room at the 29 min mark.

Thinks the team would have been on the right track without it.

References the first week of this season where "everything went off the rails".

'Two totally opposite personalities, and that's why it was hard'. "You could never get them to come half way".

 

[supercanuck]

Rutherford still blames the Pettersson/Miller issue in the room at the 29 min mark.

Thinks the team would have been on the right track without it.

References the first week of this season where "everything went off the rails".

'Two totally opposite personalities, and that's why it was hard'. "You could never get them to come half way".

The old man is going into overdrive blaming his own failure on the feud. He should just shut up and let that whole story fade away. He just likes to bring it up from time to time whenever anyone asks about this disaster of a season.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Podkolzin has scored 6 points in 10 playoff games for Edmonton, not bad for fourth round pick

 

[andora]

Podkolzin has scored 6 points in 10 playoff games for Edmonton, not bad for fourth round pick

It was 8 games up the page
Uh oh

 

[VanJack]

It was 8 games up the page
Uh oh

I'd rather have lost him on waivers for nothing to an NHL bottom-feeder than trade him to a Division rival like the Oilers.

That was the first mistake of many made last season by this management group. If the Oilers win the Cup this season, I could easily see Podkolzin playing in Edmonton for most of the next decade.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

6pts in 8 playoff games for podkolzin

thanks jim

never thought id despise this JIM more than the last but here we are

Nah...

 

[Jack Burton]

You all know that if it goes sideways next season that there will be changes.


JR will step down, Alvin fired & the new coach is pretty much irrelevant.



This management group has a very tall task to accomplish this summer & the unfortunate part is that…………..it only comes down to EP40

 

[Isi]

I never understood the logic behind trading Podkolzin. At just 22 years old, he was a former first-round pick earning a modest $1 million on the fourth line. He wasn’t lighting up the scoresheet, but he wasn’t a liability either—he worked hard, played with physicality, and still had room to grow. For a team that supposedly values drafting and development, why move on from a young, cost-controlled asset with untapped potential?

What’s the plan here? Are we prioritizing short-term "grit" over long-term upside? If it’s a cap-saving move, $1 million is peanuts in today’s NHL. If it’s about roster spots, why not give a homegrown player more time to carve out a role? The trade feels like a sideways move at best, and at worst, another example of this franchise’s impatience.

Tocchet preaches accountability, but accountability shouldn’t mean discarding prospects before they’ve had a real chance. Podkolzin wasn’t a problem—he was a project. This kind of decision-making makes me question the vision. Are we building something sustainable, or just shuffling deck chairs?

along with the decision to trade, the timing and sending him over to Edmonton was just weird. we clearly should have at least waited until the pre-season before giving up on him

 

[Svencouver]

We have two scenario's

1) Pettersson gave no f***s about any off-season training. Showed up to camp out of shape. Miller gets frustrated and management trades him to placate the guy who didn't bother coming to camp in shape establishing a shit message to the rest of the team.

2) Pettersson was injured in the 2023-24 season and management dropped the ball several times forcing him to play through it.

Either way, the Vancouver Canucks franchise is a total joke right now.

I think Pettersson felt as if he was better off resting his knee and not aggravating his tendonitis over the summer. It's possible he was pushed to train/play through it, whereas he felt as if he knew his own body and his own needs better and had a problem with Miller/whoever else telling him to suck it up and be a man. Pettersson seems like he's not receptive at all to the sort of North American machismo "play through it" warrior culture, at least for certain chronic injuries/in the offseason. I think he would still have the competitive drive and pride to play through certain injuries in critical moments down the stretch or in the playoffs, but I think Miller and Tocchet's "motivation" went in one ear and out the other for him.

 

[Hughes Clues]

Rutherford still blames the Pettersson/Miller issue in the room at the 29 min mark.

Thinks the team would have been on the right track without it.

References the first week of this season where "everything went off the rails".

'Two totally opposite personalities, and that's why it was hard'. "You could never get them to come half way".

Then
Why
Trade
Horvat...

f***

 

[ephmrl]

6pts in 8 playoff games for podkolzin

thanks jim

never thought id despise this JIM more than the last but here we are

Have you actually been watching the games or just stat watching? He's barely factored into the flow of play and is on a heater with his 6 points in 10 games that is definitely not sustainable over a larger sample size.

This management group has made some bad moves (although not even on the same planet as the previous regime), but dumping Podkolzin for a 4th is not one of them. He's playing less than 10 minutes a game, and even when he's been paired with Draisaitl he's been a non-factor.

 

[racerjoe]

Have you actually been watching the games or just stat watching? He's barely factored into the flow of play and is on a heater with his 6 points in 10 games that is definitely not sustainable over a larger sample size.

This management group has made some bad moves (although not even on the same planet as the previous regime), but dumping Podkolzin for a 4th is not one of them. He's playing less than 10 minutes a game, and even when he's been paired with Draisaitl he's been a non-factor.

Its people saying that that also say we should have traded Boeser... that would than be furious we only got a second for him and then been like but look how well he is doing.

 

[Oliewud]

Have you actually been watching the games or just stat watching? He's barely factored into the flow of play and is on a heater with his 6 points in 10 games that is definitely not sustainable over a larger sample size.

This management group has made some bad moves (although not even on the same planet as the previous regime), but dumping Podkolzin for a 4th is not one of them. He's playing less than 10 minutes a game, and even when he's been paired with Draisaitl he's been a non-factor.

Yes I literally watch every game. Do you?

He looks like a solid bottom 6er and he helped setup the conference final goal to kapanen.

You have no idea what you're talking about but I like your confidence.

 

[Oliewud]

I would like to retract all comments I made about JR being senile.

After watching his interview, he still seems very intelligent and eager to tackle this problem. I appreciate the fact that he took accountability for such a disgustingly horrific season.

If Jim and Patrick can keep their chatty kathy mouths shut, and go out and acquire some legit top 6 forwards, then I might actually develop some excitement for next season.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

I like Pod but he's coming off a sub-30 point season where he was stapled to Draisaitl lmao.

 

[VanJack]

I like Pod but he's coming off a sub-30 point season where he was stapled to Draisaitl lmao.

Even a 'sub-30 point season' playing with Draisaitl, is still better than Heinen and Sprong who were both gone by the mid-way point of the season.

But Podz was another guy Tocchet just didn't like. But I see he's killing penalties on a team that could go back to the Stanley Cup Final.

Why didn't the Canucks try and turn him into a PK'er, if they didn't like his offense? Still think it was a wasted asset--but glad he's finding his game in Edmonton.

 

[F A N]

Rutherford still blames the Pettersson/Miller issue in the room at the 29 min mark.

Thinks the team would have been on the right track without it.

References the first week of this season where "everything went off the rails".

'Two totally opposite personalities, and that's why it was hard'. "You could never get them to come half way".

That was overall pretty good interview. I did come away liking Rutherford more. I found it interesting that he did consider last year's team a contender while calling the job a major challenge when he first took the job.

 

[DiggerDan]

That was overall pretty good interview. I did come away liking Rutherford more. I found it interesting that he did consider last year's team a contender while calling the job a major challenge when he first took the job.

Now if he can just convince Sid to come here for a year or two...

 

[Oliewud]

I like Pod but he's coming off a sub-30 point season where he was stapled to Draisaitl lmao.

hes 23 and makes a million what exactly are u expecting

we drafted him top 10 and developed him just so we could throw him away to the oilers for depth

BRILLIANT GMing BOYS

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

hes 23 and makes a million what exactly are u expecting

we drafted him top 10 and developed him just so we could throw him away to the oilers for depth

BRILLIANT GMing BOYS

I'd be happy to have him still. He's a useful player. But getting a pick for him instead of losing him for nothing is hardly the end of the world.