Management Thread Blurst of Times

[Duodenum]

Management/ownership continues to be short-sighted with no real plan in place. Blowing assets on Lindholm was a mistake, cheaping out on Willander is a mistake, signing Desharnais was a mistake, every time JR opens his mouth to the media is a mistake, the forever Canucks "retool" is a mistake, etc etc.

We, yet again, find ourselves in a horrible situation, where management is pushing hard to make the team better in the short-term with the ultimate ceiling being a first or second round exit if we're lucky.

No attempts to collect assets, no attempts to make a regular contender, no stomach for short term pain for long term gain.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We might be in a better positon relative to the Benning years, but watching this retool fail in rapid fashion paired with the knowledge that we're not allowed to rebuild leaves me with an impending feeling of doom. Feels like it's all building towards Quinn Hughes' departure, and if and when that happens, there's a strong case to call that an all-time low point.

I feel like I already went through that when they traded Bure...

But you are right. This will be the same kind of dark place as a Canuck fan.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

As a young teen, the Messier years felt forever but in hindsight, it was a quick 2-3 year retool where we added a plethora of young talent and you could see there was some vision and semblance of a plan on the backside of it.

Right now, it's incredibly bleak because we all know nothing will change unless ownership sells....which may not happen until they die.

I think this is hindsight bias.

We were owned by a faceless American corporation that didn't understand hockey or give a shit about it.

That we became good randomly off of trades (Naslund, Morrison, Bertuzzi, Jovanovski) wasn't because there was some wonderful plan. It was a lot of good fortune.

The semblance of a plan developed when Burke showed up.

 

[lawrence]

When we bring in executives like Jim Rutherford, it often feels like they’re here for a short-term role, not because they have a deep connection to the Canucks. When Rutherford arrived, he essentially started with a clean slate regarding the entire roster. That’s part of why fan polls later showed a strong preference for keeping Bo Horvat over JT Miller at the time. Fans who follow the team closely saw legitimate merit in wanting to retain Bo, who was not only a core player but also our captain.

The problem with hiring outsiders like this is they don’t have the same emotional investment. They’ll try to win, sure, but when things go wrong, it’s just an “oops, my bad” and they move on. Frankly, it’s infuriating. Someone like Rutherford, who’s from Ontario, might even have deeper ties to teams like the Leafs than the Canucks. It’s hard not to feel like these decision-makers are just passing through, collecting paychecks, and shrugging off accountability—meanwhile, Jim’s probably just happy to still be in the league rather than retired.

This franchise deserves better. It’s time to overhaul this management group and bring in people who genuinely understand this team’s identity, its fans, and what it means to build something sustainable here.

 

[Diablo2020]

When we bring in executives like Jim Rutherford, it often feels like they’re here for a short-term role, not because they have a deep connection to the Canucks. When Rutherford arrived, he essentially started with a clean slate regarding the entire roster. That’s part of why fan polls later showed a strong preference for keeping Bo Horvat over JT Miller at the time. Fans who follow the team closely saw legitimate merit in wanting to retain Bo, who was not only a core player but also our captain.

The problem with hiring outsiders like this is they don’t have the same emotional investment. They’ll try to win, sure, but when things go wrong, it’s just an “oops, my bad” and they move on. Frankly, it’s infuriating. Someone like Rutherford, who’s from Ontario, might even have deeper ties to teams like the Leafs than the Canucks. It’s hard not to feel like these decision-makers are just passing through, collecting paychecks, and shrugging off accountability—meanwhile, Jim’s probably just happy to still be in the league rather than retired.

This franchise deserves better. It’s time to overhaul this management group and bring in people who genuinely understand this team’s identity, its fans, and what it means to build something sustainable here.

Identity and brand image is the crux of it all, always. Never having a dedicated Abby type never helped us either.

We hear how Frankie wants to win a cup for his aging father and wont allow a rebuild since the Gillis days. Well, we could have rebuilt 3 times over by now. Gillis was over a decade ago.

We hear today how Frankie might be driving a hard line on contract talks and how he's cheap and wont buy the training facility himself. Well, Benning alone burnt thru about 400,000,000 in salary just to tank by default every year.

I agree with everyone when they say the rot starts at the top.

Unfortunetly we've also exhausted all the true Canucks and most of the alumni. We just drove Cheech out for **** sake.

We've already done the Tlinden thing, we have put Steamer out to pasture, hell the equipment coach also dipped this offseason. Outside help is the ONLY option left at this point.

*Dale Tallon still lurks behind the walls of GM Place so maybe you get your wish soon he must bleed green n blue still right?

Thats why we need to burn it to the ground, let every prospect go thru Abby first, and build a powerhouse that doesnt need to go out and address a different huge hole every offseason because theyre flush in assets top to bottom.

Not a team that FINALLY drafts and develops some D then immedietly has to trade them to patch forward holes.

 

[lawrence]

I’ve never been so discouraged. At least during Benning’s time, when things were terrible, we could still say we had Horvat, Pettersson, Hughes, and Boeser. Those guys were our core, and we could build around them. We should’ve been fine.

Now, it’s literally down to just Hughes and Pettersson—and practically nothing else. Sure, DeBrusk is here for four more years, but this isn’t looking good. Our core has completely fallen apart due to the negligence of an incompetent management group. This is what happens when you hire outsiders to run the team: outright failure. Complete disaster. I don’t even know what they’ll do next or who they have lined up for trades.

I know this draft is weak—I do, I feel it. But if the return is just a Pavel Zacha or Jesperi Kotkaniemi, I’d rather keep the pick. As for free agency? There’s really nobody that interests me except Sam Bennett and Ehlers, who are both unlikely to sign here.

Things are looking terrible, and we have nobody to blame but management: JR, Patrik Allvin, and, of course, ownership—for lacking patience and prioritizing two games of playoff revenue over building sustainably.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Our diverse front office is paying dividends. Good job everyone

Jesus f***ing christ.

 

[Raistlin]

I don't feel that bad honestly. I actually believe EP will rebound under a more offensive coach. But I think my expectation of being a contender is much more scaled back. It will be a truly dark day if Hughes leaves. But I don't believe it's a matter of when, I think it's a 50/50 scenario depending on where Hughes can take this team next year. Having built your own team from ground up is better than joining your brothers team and sitting back. If he can steer a Canadian franchise to cup territory it will be incredibly rewarding and I believe he knows it. The issue is, can this management group create that? I believe Allvin may, but JR, I am voting no confidence.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I don't feel that bad honestly. I actually believe EP will rebound under a more offensive coach. But I think my expectation of being a contender is much more scaled back. It will be a truly dark day if Hughes leaves. But I don't believe it's a matter of when, I think it's a 50/50 scenario depending on where Hughes can take this team next year. Having built your own team from ground up is better than joining your brothers team and sitting back. If he can steer a Canadian franchise to cup territory it will be incredibly rewarding and I believe he knows it. The issue is, can this management group create that? I believe Allvin may, but JR, I am voting no confidence.

I think it how it stands right now. Unless something rather unlikely happens, Hughes is as good as gone.

 

[Raistlin]

I think it how it stands right now. Unless something rather unlikely happens, Hughes is as good as gone.

It's not a bad team even with EP going at half speed the past year. Missed the playoffs by 4 wins all the while losing like 14 times in OT. Allvin must pull a rabbit out of his sleeve this summer to get that 2C though. Also, Vancouver is chok full of beautiful 20 somethings, Quinn just have to give them a chance. Worked for Drai.