Management Thread | Blurst of Times

[Reverend Mayhem]

Management sold low on Miller and after Pettersson's complete no show at the Four Nations, his stock couldn't be any lower.

They're going to have to unload him before the NTC kicks in, and the return is not going to be great.

They're really botched this entire thing.

What Gillis did with Luongo and Schneider looks like a Hall of Fame level masterclass compared to Rutherford and Allvin.

Gillis also got canned for a reason. There's also a reason Pittsburgh didn't choose his model. It's the same reason. Ruthervin simply do it more efficiently together.

 

[F A N]

Gillis also got canned for a reason. There's also a reason Pittsburgh didn't choose his model. It's the same reason. Ruthervin simply do it more efficiently together.

There's philosophy and execution. The problem with NHL hockey management is that execution (which includes quality of scouting) is a big part of what leads to success. I personally love tear down rebuilds where a ton of picks are acquired but the success of the rebuild largely hinges about the ability to draft.

I really like the way Gillis thinks but his execution was lacking in later years especially his drafting. A big problem with his model is that it requires having the right people in key positions and it's very much a crapshoot when it comes to hockey management. Given the short careers of NHL GMs, one hit or one miss in a draft or trade can lead to outsized impact on the team's fortunes.

As a fan of the Canucks, do I care about managerial efficiency? No I don't. As long as ownership is willing to pay for it, all I care is having the best.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

There's philosophy and execution. The problem with NHL hockey management is that execution (which includes quality of scouting) is a big part of what leads to success. I personally love tear down rebuilds where a ton of picks are acquired but the success of the rebuild largely hinges about the ability to draft.

I really like the way Gillis thinks but his execution was lacking in later years especially his drafting. A big problem with his model is that it requires having the right people in key positions and it's very much a crapshoot when it comes to hockey management. Given the short careers of NHL GMs, one hit or one miss in a draft or trade can lead to outsized impact on the team's fortunes.

As a fan of the Canucks, do I care about managerial efficiency? No I don't. As long as ownership is willing to pay for it, all I care is having the best.

Now, that's a good post.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Given the short careers of NHL GMs, one hit or one miss in a draft or trade can lead to outsized impact on the team's fortunes.

 

[theguardianII]

You are Team Canada alumni aren't you? If anyone should know about the roster construction it should be you. Did you receive a shirt or a hat for all you contributions to the National team?

Just a jacket later. And lots of time spent scouting. I was just one of 20+ people. It was part of the Best Ever Program. And it was for the WJC starting way back in 92.

 

[Bobby9]

Going to be very interesting to watch this management team react to losing 2 x 1C in 1 year. I don't think anything could have predicted this unless this JT/EP fiasco has been going on this intensely for years. I've listened to current and ex-NHL players talking about teammates not getting along but I do wonder how long ago management should have stepped in.

 

[Diablo2020]

Management sold low on Miller and after Pettersson's complete no show at the Four Nations, his stock couldn't be any lower.

They're going to have to unload him before the NTC kicks in, and the return is not going to be great.

They really botched this entire thing.

What Gillis did with Luongo and Schneider looks like a Hall of Fame level masterclass compared to Rutherford and Allvin.

800+ days ago we were offered Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st for Miller.

Since then I watched Lundkvist go for a 2023 1st and Wyatt Johnston be picked 7 spots after the 1st we would have recieved.

Today hes a bonefide untouchable future star.

Like 2 weeks ago we accepted a package consisting of Filip Chytil and a 1st as the centerpiece for Jt Miller.

Its been a masterclass truly. Cant wait to drag this Petey stuff out for just as long only to end up with Dylan Cozens and a 2029 1st while Konsta Helenius or whoever goes on to be another Wyatt Johnston cause we sat on our hands evaluating the contract that we signed ourselves.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Management sold low on Miller and after Pettersson's complete no show at the Four Nations, his stock couldn't be any lower.

They're going to have to unload him before the NTC kicks in, and the return is not going to be great.

They really botched this entire thing.

What Gillis did with Luongo and Schneider looks like a Hall of Fame level masterclass compared to Rutherford and Allvin.

From 3 first line Cs to zero in 2 years.

 

[Agent007]

800+ days ago we were offered Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st for Miller.

Since then I watched Lundkvist go for a 2023 1st and Wyatt Johnston be picked 7 spots after the 1st we would have recieved.

Today hes a bonefide untouchable future star.

Like 2 weeks ago we accepted a package consisting of Filip Chytil and a 1st as the centerpiece for Jt Miller.

Its been a masterclass truly. Cant wait to drag this Petey stuff out for just as long only to end up with Dylan Cozens and a 2029 1st while Konsta Helenius or whoever goes on to be another Wyatt Johnston cause we sat on our hands evaluating the contract that we signed ourselves.

The rangers first end up being 30th overall in 2022 (not your Wyatt Johnson example)

 

[Diablo2020]

The rangers first end up being 30th overall in 2022 (not your Wyatt Johnson example)

Shoot your right.

Not to scramble too hard but is that the year Sam Reinhart went for #28 overall?

My point is they wasted alot of time to accept the exact same freaking deal offered while they evaluated a player and a contract, THEY signed themselves for 800 days.

I do not want to see that happen with a certain other player.

Filip Chytil, Sam Reinhart, Theo Lindstein was right there, in my new example I guess.

Maybe we needed a Devon Levi too I dunno.

 

[Agent007]

Shoot your right.

Not to scramble too hard but is that the year Sam Reinhart went for #28 overall?

My point is they wasted alot of time to accept the exact same freaking deal offered while they evaluated a player and a contract, THEY signed themselves for 800 days.

I do not want to see that happen with a certain other player.

Filip Chytil, Sam Reinhart, Theo Lindstein was right there, in my new example I guess.

Maybe we needed a Devon Levi too I dunno.

Reinhart was traded in 2021. You’re argument is starting to have more holes than Swiss cheese…

 

[Diablo2020]

Reinhart was traded in 2021. You’re argument is starting to have more holes than Swiss cheese…

Buddy I dont even care if Johnston was the available pick or if Reinhart was traded for an equivalent asset around the same time.

Truly, even if we had the resources we probably pass over each anyways. Im just seeing, in hindsight, who else was traded or picked around that time. Matbe im off a bit, regardless...

My whole point is we accepted a offer that was made about 2 and half years prior.

If we were to want to do that with Petey now, oops Carolina couldnt wait anymore and the package thats likely been on the table for a year is now gone.

Now im not saying the music stopped and we're without a chair because we have lots of time still to deal with a certain someone, but one suitor likely just left the market.

If we spend two years on Petey like we did with Miller, and it ends up being a Cozens package anyways, management deserves some vitrol, imo.

 

[Balls Mahoney]

log on for the first time this season and the Canucks are caught in yet another disaster in an endless series of disasters. This has to be the most braindead/corrupt pro ownership in sports. I don't even have to pay attention anymore to know the Canucks are completely f***ed every season.

 

[Diablo2020]

log on for the first time this season and the Canucks are caught in yet another disaster in an endless series of disasters. This has to be the most braindead/corrupt pro ownership in sports. I don't even have to pay attention anymore to know the Canucks are completely f***ed every season.

TLDR - Team is a disaster because we've been too solid to purge properly.

On one hand - Frankie spent 8 years holding Benning's while he did stupid things. Yes thats on Frankie.

Benning came in day one and made playoffs and we've spoken for years how that one season masked so many flaws in the orginization that it basically gave Benning power to run the team like he did going forward.

But other than wanting playoffs as a mandate likely, I dont hear a peep from Frankie now.

Fans dont realize all the disaster and drama surrounding the team and players is the EAXCT same thing Benning backed into. Allvin STILL hasnt had a chance to purge. We Willie D'd ourselves into 48 wins and a false sense of what we are AGAIN.

We shipped BO, and everyone thought we were done. We were too good a team to continue the purge so it basically stopped there. We HAD to sign Miller. We HAD to sign Pettersson.

And what do you know? Still a screwed up core.

I believe Allvin knew and knows it. Thats why in unprecendent trend setting ways we just signed a guy to a 7 year deal and pretty much shopped him from season one, even holding him out at the deadline FRESH off this new deal.

Then we doubled down. First team in history to make a player top 5 highest paid then also immedietly shop him. Public enough we know basically the exact package from Carolina we would have recieved.

Like 12 years ago Ottawa signed Hossa then snaked him off for Havlat. I honestly cant remember another player shopped since quite like Elias before their NMC kicks in.

Frankie has left us alone but the fans expectations and ignorance of where we are as a franchise is the real disaster now.

On the other hand - Yet again, if we only rebuilded day one. And maybe Frankie is again responsible.

Its gonna be 4 years later and we're going to get the trade deadline package for Boeser we could have gotten in 2021.

Its gonna be 4 years later and we cant even sell or keep Demko who has now turned to dust and is worthless.

It took 2 and a half years to get the Chytil deal we were offered like 50 times.

We've now turned Pettersson into a shell of a player, coupled with a contract other teams dont want.

Teams a disaster because again like with Benning we're backing into a rebuild while thinking we're pushing forward for a cup.

Lipstick on a pig over and over instead of just growing a pretty looking pig once and for all.