Management Thread | Blurst of Times

[Ernie]

I don't know where else to put this, but they had a stat that Pettersson has been on the ice for 7 of the team's last 10 goals for. He's been key in their turn around even if not potting goals.

Miller, for his part, has loosened up his NTC per the latest rumours. Wants a contender.

We need to see it consistently from Pettersson. After he put up 15 points in 10 games, I thought he was back. He wasn't.

Miller still needs to show he is a game changer, that whatever lead to the 10 game leave of absence is well in the rearview. If there isn't a bidding war after his performance at the 4 Nations Cup, then can accept being a Canucks player until his play improves to the point that other teams are willing to pay up.

 

[nowhereman]

I don't know where else to put this, but they had a stat that Pettersson has been on the ice for 7 of the team's last 10 goals for. He's been key in their turn around even if not potting goals.

Miller, for his part, has loosened up his NTC per the latest rumours. Wants a contender.

The team needs to start seeing results from Pettersson. He has 5 points in the last 17 games since his hot streak. Simply being on the ice when the team scores a goal is a pretty low bar.

 

[TropicOfNoReturn]

I don't know where else to put this, but they had a stat that Pettersson has been on the ice for 7 of the team's last 10 goals for. He's been key in their turn around even if not potting goals.

Miller, for his part, has loosened up his NTC per the latest rumours. Wants a contender.

Pettersson fanboys resorting to the previously shunned and mocked stat of plus/minus to justify his play.
Nice.

 

[Nuckles]

Just catastrophic managing by Allvin and Rutherford. Not making a single move this season prior to this is inexcusable considering the glaring issues since the first game of the season.

This roster has desperately needed a shakeup for months and instead of moving out some lesser struggling pieces they move one of their most important players for scraps.

Total complete incompetence. This Miller trade might have just swiftly and permanently shut their window. This could very well set in stone Hughes' departure in 2 years.

 

[Icebreakers]

Honestly, its not TERRIBLE given the circumstances. They had to move one of the two players and could only move Miller to like 2 teams.

 

[iFan]

Millers return isn’t horrible given everything but how they’ve handle all of this is horrible. The D group they put together in the offseason is extremely horrible. This has been a very very very bad year for them.

 

[Diamonddog01]

As I said before, it's honestly shocking how they went from superb last year to bumbling and inept this season. I'm not sure what's happening here but I don't think one could write up a more disastrous script for this season or this franchise.

 

[PG Canuck]

Make a trade to weaken your forward group.

Make a trade to strengthen you defense.

JR and Allvin are plugging holes on the lineup but creating another elsewhere.

 

[valkynax]

When this thread floats up it's almost never a good thing.

Mixed feelings about Mettersson trade, guess we'll find out.

Despite being a loss I see some encouraging signs.

Let's hope things pan out, because if not we won't even have the chance to kiss Hughes goodbye.

 

[Bobby9]

The level of acceptable insubordination in our management is astonishing.

I really need to work for a NHL team. You can literally foster incompetence at every level and make millions of dollars.

We’re facing Edm and LV if we’re in the playoffs and have went from Miller, Lindholm and Z to Chytil and Petterson. Scoring depth turned in to a weakness over night.

What a gong show. We are officially in no mans land.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

The level of acceptable insubordination in our management is astonishing.

What does this even mean?

Management isn't listening to ownership?

 

[Bobby9]

What does this even mean?

Management isn't listening to ownership?

Signing players who turn out to be terrible and then being forced to add assets to them to ship them out. It’s a trend w this group now

 

[Quinntessential]

We could have the cap space to sign Rantanen if he makes it to free agency. With the improved defense, Pettersson figuring it out it could put us back to contender status.

 

[Icebreakers]

We could have the cap space to sign Rantanen if he makes it to free agency. With the improved defense, Pettersson figuring it out it could put us back to contender status.

Dont even think about Rantanen. Hes in the prime of his career looking to win another cup. Hes not going to a Canadian team.

 

[Quinntessential]

Dont even think about Rantanen. Hes in the prime of his career looking to win another cup. Hes not going to a Canadian team.

I think he’ll go for the $$$ but I could be wrong

 

[sting101]

what a sad day. Pathetic really

Absolute disaster of handling everything this year.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I think he’ll go for the $$$ but I could be wrong

When was the last time we signed a highly desired UFA?

Dan Hamhuis? Mats Sundin?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We need to see it consistently from Pettersson. After he put up 15 points in 10 games, I thought he was back. He wasn't.

He never had his skating or shooting back.

Miller still needs to show he is a game changer, that whatever lead to the 10 game leave of absence is well in the rearview. If there isn't a bidding war after his performance at the 4 Nations Cup, then can accept being a Canucks player until his play improves to the point that other teams are willing to pay up.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Management completely botched the offseason by failing to maintain or upgrade the defensive core.

And it ultimately contributed to the implosion of the team mid-season.

The fact that they had to unload two of their terrible signings in the Pettersson trade is only the cherry on the top.

They took a team that was 1 game away from the WCF (of which they deserve credit for helping put together) and they made the team significantly worse the next season.

Some of that is on the players, but a lot of it is on management.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Management completely botched the offseason by failing to maintain or upgrade the defensive core.

And it ultimately contributed to the implosion of the team mid-season.

The fact that they had to unload two of their terrible signings in the Pettersson trade is only the cherry on the top.

They took a team that was 1 game away from the WCF (of which they deserve credit for helping put together) and they made the team significantly worse the next season.

Some of that is on the players, but a lot of it is on management.

Last year was a statistical anomaly.

The team never actually iced a cup contender calibre roster. They have been unable to generate offence (scoring chances) at a NHL level.

Early last season people insisted that:
- Tocchet had some system that just inflated shooting% of players
- The low chance volume was by design
- Scoring first was not luck driven
- Not playing full games was by design because we were always playing with the lead

I think all of this has proven to be wrong by the last half of last season and the ongoing season.

So... The problem is they are still operating as if they were a contender team which they are not. The Pettersson (Marcus, just in case another shoe drops in the near future ) trade is just bizarre IMO (from my limited understanding of what quality of player we are talking about).

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Punted a Hart/+Norris season.

Heads should roll.

 

[Oliewud]

"
So Miller, Heinen, Desharnais, Brannstrom, Fernstrom, and Dorrington for Pettersson, Chytil, O’Connor and Mancini.

Dorrington is a low-end prospect filler so let’s take him out. Brannstrom had already been waived. Heinen and Desharnais are depth bodies each with an additional year. I don’t view them as heavily negative assets but I do view their “loss” as flexibility creators.

Mancini and Fernstrom are both solid prospects. Mancini will help more immediately but Fernstrom is a guy to watch down the road…as I said before he’s still 18 and an SHL regular which is trending up for a guy who just got picked in the 3rd round. But let’s call that a wash form a pure asset value standpoint.

The meat of the deal in total is Miller for Pettersson, Chytil and O’Connor - with a presumption that some of the cap flexibility created will be used to help resign Pettersson (and maybe O’Connor).

So that’s an ultra solid #3 type defenseman with great size, a talented but often injured middle six center who has some theoretical top six upside and an interesting third line winger who occasionally can pop in a more middle six role for a very talented (and unhappy) first line star forward with a bajillion years left on his deal (albeit at a good AAV). "

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