Management Thread | Blurst of Times

[Billy Kvcmu]

where the f*** is aquaman? come out of hiding you incompentent POS. the organization has become a laughing stock of the league now. 2 grown rich adults cant get along with each other to even pass the puck and have to be on seperated lines. a dinosaur of a president whose just lost. its over for this team. if hughes leaves im done supporting this team.

Meh

I’m glad JR said that

Only casuals and idiots would be fool by this recent “winning streak”

 

[theguardianII]

A team holding the 1st overall pick isn't trading it for a soon to be free agent Quinn Hughes.

They will if they think they can sign him. Most teams that will be in that realm would take a big step up immediately. They might even do a deal with the Devils at the TDL if they know he won't sign.
Hughes is a sure proven thing, McKenna could end up another Wright, probably not but one is hope and the other reality.

 

[theguardianII]

The Canucks are likely heading back to the basement and have become a trainwreck.

I'm not trying to be mean because as someone who dislikes the Canucks you guys need a break somewhere.

Need something never done before. a proper re)build.

Hey how about Miller for Alexander Nikishin and Roslovic?

 

[eviohh26]

The Canucks are likely heading back to the basement and have become a trainwreck.

I'm not trying to be mean because as someone who dislikes the Canucks you guys need a break somewhere.

Be as mean as you want. Doesn't matter. Everyone hates us. We are use to it.

 

[rypper]

They will if they think they can sign him. Most teams that will be in that realm would take a big step up immediately. They might even do a deal with the Devils at the TDL if they know he won't sign.
Hughes is a sure proven thing, McKenna could end up another Wright, probably not but one is hope and the other reality.

Is Hughes going to sign in San Jose? Buffalo? No. No he is not. A rebuilding team is going to take their chances on an 18 year old with potential over a late 20s superstar who doesn't want to sign there.

 

[F A N]

Is Hughes going to sign in San Jose? Buffalo? No. No he is not. A rebuilding team is going to take their chances on an 18 year old with potential over a late 20s superstar who doesn't want to sign there.

The trade doesn't have to occur at the time of the draft. It can happen after when a sign and trade can be arranged. I do get your point but I think it also depends on which team gets the #1 overall pick. Like the Ducks have young players in place after years of drafting high.

 

[strattonius]

Interesting, I actually gained confidence with what he said.

He's priming the fanbase for a longer timeline. In order to get people to believe him, he's giving up unflattering truths we already knew.

You just saw his experience come forward.

I appreciate the optimism..honestly.

This season has just been disheartening.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

So you're suggesting the Canucks pre-emptively pay Doerrie off without having her even threaten a lawsuit?

And how do you suggest the Canucks "make the parting not as devastating to her career and reputation" aside from keeping her around?

You tell me.

 

[tantalum]

I'm not as down on the interview as many seem to be. To me it says that management is simply at the end of things with the two players and it needs to be resolved. But it has to be resolved in a way that they maintain a base of "playoff contender" to build from so that they can retain the best D-man in the world. It also serves as a final shot at the players to either sort their shit out once and for all or get the hell out of the way and let them do what is best for the team (i.e. don't be too picky with the NTC/NMCs).

This is actually a situation where you can have a so-called "re-tool" because these are actually good players that can be moved for good return. Not easy...which is why it hasn't been done yet but should be possible. They need to have some patience on this. To me, Miller's trade value maximizes at the deadline because the receiving team will be getting the short term motivated version of Miller...a team going for it may not be thinking the long term issues that may arise. I also think the NJD whispers that seem to be around are BS. QH is not happy about the situation and I'd imagine his brothers would not be happy about bringing Miller in. But what do I know?

 

[F A N]

You tell me.

Lol. You made the statements and I'm asking you to clarify. I guess this is the whole Raty doesn't know how to train comments you made all over again: i.e. you have zero knowledge and cannot back anything up.

I'm not as down on the interview as many seem to be. To me it says that management is simply at the end of things with the two players and it needs to be resolved. But it has to be resolved in a way that they maintain a base of "playoff contender" to build from so that they can retain the best D-man in the world. It also serves as a final shot at the players to either sort their shit out once and for all or get the hell out of the way and let them do what is best for the team (i.e. don't be too picky with the NTC/NMCs).

This is actually a situation where you can have a so-called "re-tool" because these are actually good players that can be moved for good return. Not easy...which is why it hasn't been done yet but should be possible. They need to have some patience on this. To me, Miller's trade value maximizes at the deadline because the receiving team will be getting the short term motivated version of Miller...a team going for it may not be thinking the long term issues that may arise. I also think the NJD whispers that seem to be around are BS. QH is not happy about the situation and I'd imagine his brothers would not be happy about bringing Miller in. But what do I know?

I'm just indifferent and sad. I always appreciate honesty but I acknowledge that we've never heard from a GM/POHO anything like this before. Interestingly, Boudreau spoke of Pearson being a key figure in smoothing things out between Miller and Petey. Given Richardson's comments, this is something management and the coaching staff should have known just that perhaps nobody expected it to be the problem it has become as it is highly unusual.

 

[tantalum]

Lol. You made the statements and I'm asking you to clarify. I guess this is the whole Raty doesn't know how to train comments you made all over again: i.e. you have zero knowledge and cannot back anything up.



I'm just indifferent and sad. I always appreciate honesty but I acknowledge that we've never heard from a GM/POHO anything like this before. Interestingly, Boudreau spoke of Pearson being a key figure in smoothing things out between Miller and Petey. Given Richardson's comments, this is something management and the coaching staff should have known just that perhaps nobody expected it to be the problem it has become as it is highly unusual.

I don't think it's an unusual problem in a dressing room. I think it happens a lot and things tend to come out after deals are made. It's unusual that this has been so open but the lid sort of got blown off when Miller took the leave of absence.

 

[theguardianII]

Is Hughes going to sign in San Jose? Buffalo? No. No he is not. A rebuilding team is going to take their chances on an 18 year old with potential over a late 20s superstar who doesn't want to sign there.

After the trade it isn't Vancouver's problem. Hughes has no trade protection and if traded at the 2026 draft then the team trading for him will have the year to try to re-sign him.

Trading for Hughes takes a rebuilding team to the next step. SJ has two good young players now and whoever they sign this year. SJ has 7 fewer RW than the Canucks. Their rebuild would end with Hughes but he would be one of the older players on the team.
Buffalo is closer to his home and family

But like I said it wouldn't be Vancouver's problem.

 

[rypper]

After the trade it isn't Vancouver's problem. Hughes has no trade protection and if traded at the 2026 draft then the team trading for him will have the year to try to re-sign him.

Trading for Hughes takes a rebuilding team to the next step. SJ has two good young players now and whoever they sign this year. SJ has 7 fewer RW than the Canucks. Their rebuild would end with Hughes but he would be one of the older players on the team.
Buffalo is closer to his home and family

But like I said it wouldn't be Vancouver's problem.

It wouldn't be Vancouver's problem because San Jose, Buffalo, etc wouldn't make the trade in the first place. They wouldn't risk Hughes walking.

 

[theguardianII]

It wouldn't be Vancouver's problem because San Jose, Buffalo, etc wouldn't make the trade in the first place. They wouldn't risk Hughes walking.

So you would never trade for McDavid because he might not sign again?

Doesn't that kind of eliminate any trades for the Canucks? Whoever they trade for might not re-sign here?

Do you really think Hughes will stay here? His indenture is over, he becomes a FA and with his performances he will be able to sign anywhere.

So your thought is keep him here and maybe end up with nothing?

Think now, EP gone, JTM gone, BB gone, the heat he has had to take from the fan base. Essentially the Canucks have no centers, no star forwards that can drive a line. The reputation since Tocchet got here is BB and CG have asked for trades, two star forwards being traded or their differences have been exasperated, the need for 3 very good younger defensemen. A mini rebuild.

Or he can sign with NJD for max money and be with his family and play with his brothers and not have the pressure of being a Captain on a troubled team.

Think again, this group is no where near being a cup contender in 2 years whereas NJD are now. What would be needed to be a real contender now?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Lol. You made the statements and I'm asking you to clarify. I guess this is the whole Raty doesn't know how to train comments you made all over again: i.e. you have zero knowledge and cannot back anything up.

I dont think you are an honest actor so Im not wasting a lot of time explaining things to you.

Or Im just really stupid and wrong always. Could be that too I guess.

 

[rypper]

So you would never trade for McDavid because he might not sign again?

Doesn't that kind of eliminate any trades for the Canucks? Whoever they trade for might not re-sign here?

Do you really think Hughes will stay here? His indenture is over, he becomes a FA and with his performances he will be able to sign anywhere.

So your thought is keep him here and maybe end up with nothing?

Think now, EP gone, JTM gone, BB gone, the heat he has had to take from the fan base. Essentially the Canucks have no centers, no star forwards that can drive a line. The reputation since Tocchet got here is BB and CG have asked for trades, two star forwards being traded or their differences have been exasperated, the need for 3 very good younger defensemen. A mini rebuild.

Or he can sign with NJD for max money and be with his family and play with his brothers and not have the pressure of being a Captain on a troubled team.

Think again, this group is no where near being a cup contender in 2 years whereas NJD are now. What would be needed to be a real contender now?

You're missing the point entirely.

The time to trade Hughes may come, if it does then by all means you trade him. But no team that holds the 1st overall pick is going to make that trade.

You have the option of:

a cost controlled (for the next 7 years) 18 year old (hopefully but not guaranteed) future superstar player who will fit in with your likely rebuilding roster.

Or

a season or less of Quinn Hughes and the chance he wants to re-sign with you. A season or less when you're team isn't a lock to make the playoffs.

No GM in the league is giving up that value for that gamble.

 

[theguardianII]

You're missing the point entirely.

The time to trade Hughes may come, if it does then by all means you trade him. But no team that holds the 1st overall pick is going to make that trade.

You have the option of:

a cost controlled (for the next 7 years) 18 year old (hopefully but not guaranteed) future superstar player who will fit in with your likely rebuilding roster.

Or

a season or less of Quinn Hughes and the chance he wants to re-sign with you. A season or less when you're team isn't a lock to make the playoffs.

No GM in the league is giving up that value for that gamble.

That happens all the time.

Lindholm this team traded away a small ransom for what ended up a rental but they thought they could sign him.
Guentzel or any of the rentals.

But Hughes with another season at 7.8 for a full year on a team without the drama he has suffered here for 8 years might be attractive.

I am talking about the end of next year at the 2026 draft or after the lottery. You never know Columbus, Montreal, Rangers or Islanders might win the lottery. They will want instant results and Hughes would give them that. Hughes if he is on the block might get that pick and then some.

For every question about why Hughes would re-sign with at team trading for him is the exact same for this team now. They are already stating what is here isn't good enough. How can they erase all the past in 18 months or compete with teams that have been in the playoff for 4, 5 or 6 years in a row or 7 out of 9 years.

IMO building a team that would encourage Hughes to stay is the same as building a cup contender for three years in a row, not just making the playoffs but going deep, conference finals, more than one series win.

 

[rypper]

That happens all the time.

It literally doesn't.

Not the first overall pick. That hasn't happened since 2003, and even then it was for the 3rd overall pick plus other pieces. In the salary cap era teams don't trade the 1st overall pick.

Now a tweener team trading their low to mid first to boost themselves out of a rebuild is a little more realistic but still don't see it happening unless they're allowed to feel out an extension with Hughes first.

 

[Bubbles]

where the f*** is aquaman? come out of hiding you incompentent POS. the organization has become a laughing stock of the league now. 2 grown rich adults cant get along with each other to even pass the puck and have to be on seperated lines. a dinosaur of a president whose just lost. its over for this team. if hughes leaves im done supporting this team.

I kind of miss his fanboy tweets. Got to admit it was funnier when he was the entire hockey ops department.