Value of: Make Your Proposal for Sean Monahan

[Eggtimer]

There was some talk about the Flames shacking it up, but Monahan was never really in that conversation. Now that the Flames have just spent a lot of money on a starting goaltender, it's become clear that the plan is to compete for the next two years at least.

The Flames will likely be looking to add at the deadline. They most certainly aren't trading Monahan for a package of lesser players. Centre is their biggest position of need. Trading their best centre for lesser players is the opposite of what they want to do.

Thats the thing though , Monahan probably is not their best center. They are going to try Lindholm out at C . I agree that they SHOULD keep Monahan as it seems like good teams are built with strong players up the middle and center depth , but perhaps the Flames see their team being better moving Lindholm to C and trading Monahan for a winger ?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

That's not something the Flames need. Ahead of Kylington is Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev and Giordano. Even then, I don't see what makes Lundkvist clearly better than Kylington. Kylington had a great year in the SHL before jumping to the AHL too. What records are these that Lundkvist broke?

He set the U-20 defenseman scoring record in the SHL, broke the previous one by 7 points.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

God, I really wish you would just go cheer for another team already. We dont have any internal replacements for Monahan and the Markstrom signing was a very clear indication that management has zero intention in tanking to draft one. Also there is not a single GM oit there who would downgrade their 1C for Monahan. Calgary had the 3rd highest GF/GP this playoffs, so they went out and got a top 10 goalie and revamped the d-core. Not sure how that is "sticking to the status quo."

He doesn't want other teams to downgrade. He wants us to trade Monahan for Danault lol

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He doesn't want other teams to downgrade. He wants us to trade Monahan for Danault lol

Oh boy, wonder if he will ever learn that Danault is a bona fide 2C. Monahan is not a great 1C but at least can play it.

 

[Double Dion]

He set the U-20 defenseman scoring record in the SHL, broke the previous one by 7 points.

Look at what Kinnvall is doing in the SHL right now. Almost 1.5PPG and I'm not even sure he'll be an NHL defenseman. The SHL has changed dramatically over the past 3-4 seasons. It isn't the low scoring league it used to be.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Oh boy, wonder if he will ever learn that Danault is a bona fide 2C. Monahan is not a great 1C but at least can play it.

Yeah he wants to go all the way from all offense to all defense. Pretty sure even Bennett could drop 40 points stuck between Gallagher and Tatar for an entire season.

 

[blankall]

Thats the thing though , Monahan probably is not their best center. They are going to try Lindholm out at C . I agree that they SHOULD keep Monahan as it seems like good teams are built with strong players up the middle and center depth , but perhaps the Flames see their team being better moving Lindholm to C and trading Monahan for a winger ?

I think it's pretty debatable between Monahan and Linholm who is better at being an actual centre. Neither are perfect #1 options. From what I've heard, the are trying Linholm on a pairing with Tkachuk and Monahan/Gaudreau will stay together. They are going to roll them as a 1A/1B and likely give better time/opportunities to whichever line is performing the best.

 

[Double Dion]

I think it's pretty debatable between Monahan and Linholm who is better at being an actual centre. Neither are perfect #1 options. From what I've heard, the are trying Linholm on a pairing with Tkachuk and Monahan/Gaudreau will stay together. They are going to roll them as a 1A/1B and likely give better time/opportunities to whichever line is performing the best.

I agree with most of your opinions. I don't even think Monahan is as good of an all around player as Backlund and certainly not as good as Lindholm.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Look at what Kinnvall is doing in the SHL right now. Almost 1.5PPG and I'm not even sure he'll be an NHL defenseman. The SHL has changed dramatically over the past 3-4 seasons. It isn't the low scoring league it used to be.

Kinnvall is also 23, that's a 4 year age difference. Like I said, he set the under 20 record for defensemen.

 

[blankall]

I agree with most of your opinions. I don't even think Monahan is as good of an all around player as Backlund and certainly not as good as Lindholm.

I would say all 3 have their strengths.

Backlund is better defensively. Monahan is better at scoring, so when paired up with a true playmaker he is ideal. Lindholm is better all-around, not excelling at any one area.

 

[Double Dion]

Kinnvall is also 23, that's a 4 year age difference. Like I said, he set the under 20 record for defensemen.

Less than 3 years age difference. My point stands. There used to be virtually no PPG players in the SHL. Now there are tons of them. It's the same principal as points are different between the WHL and QMJHL. Erik Karlsson for example had 10 points in 45 games and was an offensive defenseman 12 years ago. Now there are numerous defensemen putting up big numbers. It's not the same thing.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Less than 3 years age difference. My point stands. There used to be virtually no PPG players in the SHL. Now there are tons of them. It's the same principal as points are different between the WHL and QMJHL. Erik Karlsson for example had 10 points in 45 games and was an offensive defenseman 12 years ago. Now there are numerous defensemen putting up big numbers. It's not the same thing.

Kent Nilsson of your flames did really well in the SHL.

 

[Double Dion]

Kent Nilsson of your flames did really well in the SHL.

In the mid 70s? I was more talking about how now in the SHL isn't like 5-10 years ago.

 

[blankall]

Less than 3 years age difference. My point stands. There used to be virtually no PPG players in the SHL. Now there are tons of them. It's the same principal as points are different between the WHL and QMJHL. Erik Karlsson for example had 10 points in 45 games and was an offensive defenseman 12 years ago. Now there are numerous defensemen putting up big numbers. It's not the same thing.

To add to this, the role of defencemen has changed dramatically. Even 5 years ago, defencemen were all expected to focus a lot on defence and were generally larger and less mobile. Now Quinn Hughes is a Calder candidate.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Less than 3 years age difference. My point stands. There used to be virtually no PPG players in the SHL. Now there are tons of them. It's the same principal as points are different between the WHL and QMJHL. Erik Karlsson for example had 10 points in 45 games and was an offensive defenseman 12 years ago. Now there are numerous defensemen putting up big numbers. It's not the same thing.

No its 4 years, Lundkvist was 19 at the time he set that record (hence under 20). Kinnvall played 18 games at age 19 and had 0 points. EK65 is a bad example, however I do agree scoring has gone up a bit on average. Elias Pettersson currently holds the all time under 20 points record and is 2nd for ppg (swapping spots with Kent Nilson). After that there are some pretty big names in Forsberg, Sedin twins, Backstrom, Naslund, Gradin, and Hornqvist.
There is no guarantee Nils will pan out as a top end defenseman as that is always the risk with prospects, but the hype around him has some legitimate foundation to it.

 

[Double Dion]

No its 4 years, Lundkvist was 19 at the time he set that record (hence under 20). Kinnvall played 18 games at age 19 and had 0 points. EK65 is a bad example, however I do agree scoring has gone up a bit on average. Elias Pettersson currently holds the all time under 20 points record and is 2nd for ppg (swapping spots with Kent Nilson). After that there are some pretty big names in Forsberg, Sedin twins, Backstrom, Naslund, Gradin, and Hornqvist.
There is no guarantee Nils will pan out as a top end defenseman as that is always the risk with prospects, but the hype around him has some legitimate foundation to it.

He really struggled defending against his peers at the WJHC. If we're targeting a young prospect defenseman for the Rangers it should be Miller.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He really struggled defending against his peers at the WJHC. If we're targeting a young prospect defenseman for the Rangers it should be Miller.

I don't disagree with targeting Miller, I am a big fan of him. I am just saying you are undervaluing a RD with a lot of top 4 potential that is also expansion exempt and almost NHL ready. I personally am against trading Monahan all together since we've already committed to this current roster with the Marky signing, but that Rangers offer was worth looking at as a base.

 

[Double Dion]

I don't disagree with targeting Miller, I am a big fan of him. I am just saying you are undervaluing a RD with a lot of top 4 potential that is also expansion exempt and almost NHL ready. I personally am against trading Monahan all together since we've already committed to this current roster with the Marky signing, but that Rangers offer was worth looking at as a base.

Not for me. I don't want magic beans for a core player. You clearly like Lundkvist and Chytil a lot more than I do. I'd look at Buchnevich and Miller instead with the pick.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not for me. I don't want magic beans for a core player. You clearly like Lundkvist and Chytil a lot more than I do. I'd look at Buchnevich and Miller instead with the pick.

To each their own.

 

[blankall]

To each their own.

It's far more likely that the Flames package Kylington for one of our roster players than the other way around.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Thomas Chabot 1 for 1.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Thomas Chabot 1 for 1.

Um... Ok... no take backs

 

[TBF1972]

No one is going to trade a 1c for a player who should be a great 2c + extras. 1c’s are very hard to come by.

there are teams on hfboards with 5 #1c.

 

[TBF1972]

Oilers have their center depth through lottery picks. Not hard to draft McDavid and RNH when they were projected to go first overall. And the last time a 1st line centerman was traded was Tyler Seguin.

o'reilly

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

there are teams on hfboards with 5 #1c.

Link?