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Makar vs. Fabbro

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lawrence said:
Fabbro had the chance to share the ice with Tyson Jost, and often on the same power play unit. Wether Makar is overrated or not, his abilites are for abvious like Fabbro, who is ranked as a future top 4. Makar ranked as a future top 2 offensive dman that generates offence.
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Makar was on an extremely stacked team.
 
Tryamkin said:
In a way yes, Makar is the superior offensive player and has top pairing PP QB potential which Fabbro doesn't really have. I don't think they're very close, but closer than the 4 to 17 comparison suggests because of the different draft classes. Only time will tell between the two. Makar played very well as an undersized player using his smarts and playing with aggression against not very good competition, so it's yet to be seen how he would do against bigger, stronger, and faster players in the next levels of the game. If he can't adapt to that life (which has happened before) he may not stick in the NHL. If he does, he has the offensive potential to be a top 5 defenseman in the league.
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Makar was a monster at the RBC cup against the other top Junior A teams twice :dunno: NCAA will be a big step up, but it's not like we've only ever seen him beating up on lesser teams. He has had to lead his team ahead of other teams on their level. How he does on a weaker team relative to the competition next season will be fascinating.

I'd take Fabbro over Foote, but not Valimaki; and it's hard not to consider Brannstrom or Liljegren ahead of him as well. So I'm not too sure of how much higher he'd have actually gone.

StayAtHomeAv said:
Makar was on an extremely stacked team.
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Both teams were stacked but Makar was his team's best player, while Jost was the best player on Fabbro's team.
 
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Makar has the higher ceiling and Fabbro has the higher floor. Makar's potential is described as "elite defenseman". I didn't hear that about Fabbro. That's why one went #4 and the other went #17, higher ceiling beats higher floor when we're talking top picks.

It's not like the AVS reached to get him, he was ranked #4 by McKenzie...and Button even had him at #1 ahead of Hischer, Patrick and Heiskanen.
 
As many have said here , Fabbro is likely a sure top four ,especially in The Preds system , but unlike what many are saying , I see him more as a Keith like player when he matures as I expressed in my top 15 videos
https://youtu.be/dU4EcenEqiQ. He is a very smart player and I believe his defence will improve in leaps and bounds .
 
Makar has the higher ceiling. He has the potential to be a top offensive defenseman. While Fabbro isn't as flashy his strength is on the d side of the game. While he may not be a #1 in the Karlsson mould, he can be a #2 in the Adam Larsson mould.
 
ViktorBaeArvidsson said:
From what I can tell, either Makar is going to be a super star defender, or he could be a major bust. With Fabbro I see a solid Top 4 guy, and especially since he's in Nashville's defensive system. He should develop quite well.
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Nice, concise post.

Hard to argue with this. Fabbro definitely has a huge leg up being in the Pred's develop system though. Makar get's the to join the trainwreck called the Avalanche, it's all up to him if he develops or not.
 
Daximus said:
Yeah the stacked team scenario is a wash between these two. The Vees were probably the slightly better team overall but the Bandits are no slouch.
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I don't think it matters how good the teams are in regards to who's better, but more importantly, how good the competition was and Fabbro simply played against better players.

Then factor in Predators development for defencive prospects, they simply crush the Avs and I am an Avs fan.

I am not a huge fan of the Makar pick, I think he's too much of a gamble at 4th overall and I suggest that Pettersson who went after him should be the better player. But I did see some hope from what I saw at the Avs development camp instead of on TV; he's a lot like a defencive version of Nathan MacKinnon (very flashy, very shifty). They're not perfect players, but solid NHL calibre players. As others have said, Fabbro is most definitely the safer player and should become a really solid #3. Makar's potential is that of either a #2 defender, either that is in the NHL or AHL is yet to be seen (aka big risk/reward type of player). He is going to a program where they've been terrible, but recently hired a solid coaching staff which have mentioned wanting to play Cale 30 minutes a game (something you want for a young player).

It depends on the value you get and where they were picked, Fabbro at 17th overall for me is much better than Makar at 4th overall. And this is not even factoring what I mentioned before in Predators track record for developing defenders.

Stud Puffin said:
Makar has the higher ceiling. He has the potential to be a top offensive defenseman. While Fabbro isn't as flashy his strength is on the d side of the game. While he may not be a #1 in the Karlsson mould, he can be a #2 in the Adam Larsson mould.
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Makar plays absolutely NOTHING like Adam Larsson, nor even Karlsson for that matter, Makar would be in the mold of a better/quicker version of Tyson Barrie.
 
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EscapedGoat said:
He clearly said Fabbro..
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Seph is still a little upset we took makar lol. Think its clear cut that fabbro is much safer and makar has the higher ceiling. So much to dream on with makar. If nothing else, makar is going to be one of the most exciting prospects to follow. He has me much more excited than any avs defensive prospect in a long time. Fabbro is a very good prospect and i can see why some people would take him over makar. Really just depends what kind of prospect your looking for. Fabbro is a very good player with high floor but if your swinging for the fences than you take makar
 
Redline said:
Fabbro absolutely has an equally high ceiling as Makar.
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No. He does not. I think Fabbro is more likely to be a top 4 D than Makar, but Makar has the higher ceiling and it isn't close.

Fabbro is the safer bet to reach the NHL and is the more well rounded player, but he just doesn't have the game breaking potential that Makar does.

Makar is a swing for the fences type of pick. He has an insane level of potential and his game breaking ability is what made him a top 5 pick.

I think prospect wise, Makar is the better prospect. I'd compare Timmins to Fabbro during their draft years tbh.

And if you're only doing stat watching.. Makar was a ppg (and then some) player 2 years in a row. Fabbro did it once.

I'm glad Fabbro had a successful transition to the next step in his development. He's still not on the same level as Makar.

Considering the same coach that coached EK is pumped about being able to coach Makar, I'm more than hopeful that Makar makes the jump to the NCAA and turns a lot of heads in the process. The kid is unreal.
 
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strictlyrandy said:
No. He does not. I think Fabbro is more likely to be a top 4 D than Makar, but Makar has the higher ceiling and it isn't close.

Fabbro is the safer bet to reach the NHL and is the more well rounded player, but he just doesn't have the game breaking potential that Makar does.

Makar is a swing for the fences type of pick. He has an insane level of potential and his game breaking ability is what made him a top 5 pick.

I think prospect wise, Makar is the better prospect. I'd compare Timmins to Fabbro during their draft years tbh.

And if you're only doing stat watching.. Makar was a ppg (and then some) player 2 years in a row. Fabbro did it once.

I'm glad Fabbro had a successful transition to the next step in his development. He's still not on the same level as Makar.

Considering the same coach that coached EK is pumped about being able to coach Makar, I'm more than hopeful that Makar makes the jump to the NCAA and turns a lot of heads in the process. The kid is unreal.
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That last sentence is making me wild... ;)
 
I watched them both live multiple times. Makars skill set is much higher. They both have great hockey iq, with makars more focused on offence and fabbro more a 2 way guy.

The biggest difference is skating. Fabbro is kinda slow, he makes up for it with an amazing first pass, but he rarely rushes the puck.

Even in the bchl, it wasn't evident every game that fabbro was an NHL first rounder. He plays a quiet and simple game. And his skating wasn't really much better then average in that league. Makar though, had a similar wow factor , like fabbros teammate, jost. Where you just knew they were playing leagues below competition just by how they skated and took over a game with the puck on their stick.
 
Makar has such exceptional offensive tools, I can't help but have him at least one tier above Fabbro. He can learn the rest of the game as he grows up, but I weigh talent way above things that make someone a steady top 4 D, and he has the clear advantage there.

Fabbro is safe though, he's probably an NHL defenceman today.
 
4LightAM said:
Makar has such exceptional offensive tools, I can't help but have him at least one tier above Fabbro. He can learn the rest of the game as he grows up, but I weigh talent way above things that make someone a steady top 4 D, and he has the clear advantage there.

Fabbro is safe though, he's probably an NHL defenceman today.
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This would be my take as well.. I see more offense / qb capability in Makar. Not sure if Fabbro is NHL ready but he'd be closer.
 
From watching some of the WJSS. Fabbro seems like the seasoned more mature Dman that does everything pretty well. Makar seems like the more dynamic offensive dman that has the ability to make deceptive plays with the puck at the point like a fake shot backhand pull then get it to the net etc... hopefully a year in college will help maker mature and become smoother in the other parts of the game. But you can certainly see cale's potential w/ the puck.
 
Tryamkin said:
In a way yes, Makar is the superior offensive player and has top pairing PP QB potential which Fabbro doesn't really have. I don't think they're very close, but closer than the 4 to 17 comparison suggests because of the different draft classes. Only time will tell between the two. Makar played very well as an undersized player using his smarts and playing with aggression against not very good competition, so it's yet to be seen how he would do against bigger, stronger, and faster players in the next levels of the game. If he can't adapt to that life (which has happened before) he may not stick in the NHL. If he does, he has the offensive potential to be a top 5 defenseman in the league.
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Winner! I love these time capsule reads. Hat tip @LilLeeroy for finding the thread.
 
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