MacKinnon's point production dropped after Rantanen trade

[WarriorofTime]

To be honest, Avs are likely a team with a closing window as is. They need a lot of luck with minimal invested draft capital for something big to come out of prospect pool, which is statistically less likely. They probably have two more seasons, at which time Makar is going to need to get paid serious money and MacKinnon will be 32, making it uncertain if he can continue to be towards the tippy top of NHL production. So it remains to be seen if the "keep the window open by freeing up Rantanen's would-be cap space" will even do anything.

 

[Rebels57]

QoT has a massive impact on Production.

 

[rynryn]

i see no reason to panic, or worry, or even feel uneasy for a second.

 

[AvsWraith]

Rantanen's deal is worth about the same as Seguins, Nylanders, Eichels, Pettersons and Huberdeaus. With that in mind can you really say he is being overpaid? He already is the second best scorer during the time frame he has been in Dallas. I'm sure he'll come around as he gets used to this situation.

If Panarin (14.29 AVV% of cap) made his deal today he'd made around 13,5 million under the new salary cap.

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https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/sort/contract_average_league_cap_pct

For Dallas it's fine. You aren't paying your #1 center 12.6M. You also aren't gonna have a defenseman wanting 14-15M or so in 3 years. And Rants might find his place in Dallas and play up to expectations. But for the Avs, we need that cap space for depth.

 

[forsbergavs32]

For Dallas it's fine. You aren't paying your #1 center 12.6M. You also aren't gonna have a defenseman wanting 14-15M or so in 3 years. And Rants might find his place in Dallas and play up to expectations. But for the Avs, we need that cap space for depth.

Plus Mikko hadn't been the same player for the Avs since the Cup. He had been coasting and just standing in the right circle waiting for a one timer chance. It was at it's worst this year, especially on the PP. There's a reason why the PP flourished with Necas and the Avs finally having to move around on the PP.

I love Mikko but he wasn't playing well despite his production. Just from players in that trade, Necas has added a new element to the team and another threat on the breakout and Drury is a great depth center that could end up being a quality 3C for the Avs

 

[AvsGuy]

I love how the basis of this argument is a MacKinnon drop-off of 0.2 PPG, or 1 point less every 5 games

What a useless bum

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'd bet all of my money that OP is Finnish

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Makes sense he lost his trigger man. He hasn't made guys like Johnson 20 to 30 goal scorers. He hasn't shown the ability to turn 20 goal scorers Into 30/40 goal scorers. He hasn't shown he can take a 40 goal scorers and make him a 50+ goal scorer.

You're so right...

Lehkonen career high in Goals in Montreal: 18

Lehkonen with Mack and the Avs: 27 Goals in 1 season, 70 Goals in 194 Games overall(30 Goal pace per 82 games)

Nichushkin Career high in Dallas: 14 Goals
Nichushkin with Colorado: 28 Goals in 1 season, 114 Goals in 332 games, 28 Goal pace per 82 games.

Jonathan Drouin in Montreal, 17 Goals in his last 4 years combined(163 Games, 8.5 Goals per 82 games)
Jonathan Drouin in Colorado, 30 Goals in 122 Games in Colorado(20 Goals per 82 games)


Could easily post countless other examples as well


You're starting to get quite the knack for really, really dumb posts.

 

[RussianBum86]

You're so right...

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Lehkonen career high in Goals in Montreal: 18

Lehkonen with Mack and the Avs: 27 Goals in 1 season, 70 Goals in 194 Games overall(30 Goal pace per 82 games)

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Nichushkin Career high in Dallas: 14 Goals
Nichushkin with Colorado: 28 Goals in 1 season, 114 Goals in 332 games, 28 Goal pace per 82 games.

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Jonathan Drouin in Montreal, 17 Goals in his last 4 years combined(163 Games, 8.5 Goals per 82 games)
Jonathan Drouin in Colorado, 30 Goals in 122 Games in Colorado(20 Goals per 82 games)


Could easily post countless other examples as well


You're starting to get quite the knack for really, really dumb posts.

Drouin already scored 21 goals before he went to Colorado. with the Lightning.. He didnt get better he got worse away from the Lightbing. So that is bogus to use him because he couldnt even match his production with the Lightning and Kucherov.
Lets use Tyler Johnson, Kilhorn Palat, Hagel, Cirelli, Guentzal, Paul ,Stamkos, and Point. Every single one of them scored more goals playing with kucherov and production drops when the are not with him skating with on ice by around 10 goals per season. Look at stamkos. Guy was a 40 goal went down to a 27 goal scorer. There is a clear decline in their goal scoring abilities when they part with Kucherov. Just like Mackinnons assist go down when he loses his best trigger man.

STamkos -13 goals

Palat -8 and -11

Johnson -12 , -15 , -29 goals

Kilhorn -9 goals and -8 goals

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Drouin already scored 21 goals before he went to Colorado. with the Lightning.. He didnt get better he got worse away from the Lightbing. So that is bogus to use him because he couldnt even match his production with the Lightning and Kucherov.
Lets use Tyler Johnson, Kilhorn Palat, Hagel, Cirelli, Guentzal, Paul ,Stamkos, and Point. Every single one of them scored more goals playing with kucherov and production drops when the are not with him skating with on ice by around 10 goals per season. Look at stamkos. Guy was a 40 goal went down to a 27 goal scorer. There is a clear decline in their goal scoring abilities when they part with Kucherov. Just like Mackinnons assist go down when he loses his best trigger man.
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You do realize I literally said not one single thing about Kucherov right? Can you read?

Also just for a good laugh for the rest of us:


Ondrej Palat: 31 Years old when he left Tampa
Steven Stamkos: 34 Years old when he left Tampa
Alex Killorn: 34 Years old when he left Tampa
Tyler Johnson: 31 Years old when he left Tampa(His production also didn't even dip lmao)



Surely age has nothing to do with it


EDIT: Hahahahaha I didn't even notice bro was comparing seasons 11 years apart when talking about Palat. My goodness you are totally delusional in every sense of the word.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Drouin

Dang, that's like at least 10 minutes you just flushed down the toilet writing all that and marking up those screenshots

 

[nbwingsfan]

If you look at his stats for the season:

MacKinnon with Rantanen: 75p in 45 games = 1,53 ppg
MacKinnon without Rantanen: 41p in 30 games = 1,36 ppg

There's a clear differene of almost 0,2 ppg before and after Rantanen trade. Ofcourse, whichever number you look at,his stats are still elite , but do you think him playing without Rantanen the rest of the season contributed to the his ppg dipping?

Star player playing with another star player inflates stats a bit? I am shocked !

 

[flyfysher]

Well that settles it. Mack sucks and was the passenger on that line.

/s

 

[EpochLink]

Gasp

 

[Daz28]

Good player loses good player and their production drops. This isn’t news

You're still going to see a lot of arguments anyways. The days of people seeing a fact, and just going with it are over.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If you look at his stats for the season:

MacKinnon with Rantanen: 75p in 45 games = 1,53 ppg
MacKinnon without Rantanen: 41p in 30 games = 1,36 ppg

There's a clear differene of almost 0,2 ppg before and after Rantanen trade. Ofcourse, whichever number you look at,his stats are still elite , but do you think him playing without Rantanen the rest of the season contributed to the his ppg dipping?

While its probably true that we'll see Macks production decrease a little now without Mikko.... This is also way too small of a sample size to jump to any kind of conclusion.


For example... If you take out the first 6 games after the trade where Mack had just 1G and 5 points, which could easily be chalked up to Mack adjusting to and learning his new linemates tendencies and developing chemistry with Necas... that would mean in his final 24 games, he had 36 Points, good for a 1.50 PPG and almost identical to what he had with Rantanen before that.


30 games isn't even half of a season. Next season will be a much better indication of where he's at now without Mikko... And quite frankly if he's still at 1.36 PPG, that's still a 112 point player over 82 games, dont think any Avs fan will be losing sleep about that.

 

[Goulet17]

I feel like I want the three minutes of my life back having read this thread.

 

[LuckyPierre]

Necas had the outright Art Ross lead well into the season this year in Carolina, and people are disrespecting his ability hard here.

By next season he and Nate will be shredding the league together just like Rantanen and Nate did.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Mack is amazing but I always found it funny when people spoke of him on McDavid levels. The dude played with Makar Toews and Rantanen almost exclusively for the majority of his prime. The 3rd winger on that line wasn’t a scrub either, sometimes even loading up with Landy or Nuke.

 

[landy]

Mack is amazing but I always found it funny when people spoke of him on McDavid levels. The dude played with Makar Toews and Rantanen almost exclusively for the majority of his prime. The 3rd winger on that line wasn’t a scrub either, sometimes even loading up with Landy or Nuke.

You're right. Hes been proven to be better than McDavid for years now. People need to stop talknig down about Mac. One day McDavid will catch up again.

 

[dahrougem2]

Oh no, MacKinnon is just a 112 point player without Rantanen which would make him the *checks notes* 2nd leading scorer in the NHL.

I wonder where he finished...

 

[JFedol]

Mack is amazing but I always found it funny when people spoke of him on McDavid levels. The dude played with Makar Toews and Rantanen almost exclusively for the majority of his prime. The 3rd winger on that line wasn’t a scrub either, sometimes even loading up with Landy or Nuke.

If fully healthy, McDavid should be back to his ways

 

[Connor McConnor]

You're right. Hes been proven to be better than McDavid for years now. People need to stop talknig down about Mac. One day McDavid will catch up again.

"Proven" - Est. Mar 2025. Who are you really? I have a few guesses.

 

[Mulletman]

It’s strange how in the course of 3 months Rantanen went from a guy who was barely talked about to routinely being the feature of toxic arguments.

It's because he got exposed for what he really is. Meanwhile @Mulletman was once again right about Rantanen being overrated way back in 2018: If Rantanen scores 80 points is he the worst player to score 80 points in the last 20 years?

 

[rielledup]

Probably has less to do with Rantanen leaving than a simple regression back to a more sustainable level of production.

I don't see why that would be unsustainable considering he had 140 points last year and was on pace for 127 the year before.