MacKinnon's point production dropped after Rantanen trade

[jalapenoWithAnH]

If you look at his stats for the season:

MacKinnon with Rantanen: 75p in 45 games = 1,53 ppg
MacKinnon without Rantanen: 41p in 30 games = 1,36 ppg

There's a clear differene of almost 0,2 ppg before and after Rantanen trade. Ofcourse, whichever number you look at,his stats are still elite , but do you think him playing without Rantanen the rest of the season contributed to the his ppg dipping?

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Good player loses good player and their production drops. This isn’t news

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

Good player loses good player and their production drops. This isn’t news

You mean to tell me he was Rantanen merchant after all?

Funny thing also:

MacKinnon's first three seasons were under ppg, but soon as Rantanen joined the team his ppg started to rise.

Rantanen's first active season with Avalanche was 2016-2017 which was the season when they both underperformed compared to their current level. But from 2017-2018 onwards both have had ppg level seasons consistently.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

Doubt it

Avs scoring was more spread out after the trade and he didn’t have to do it all himself. More rolling other lines.

Nate is always best when the Avs are trailing and trying to get back into games. There’s another gear there. That seemingly happened less after Mikko was gone.

Also Nuke and Lehky were on a bit of a snake bit 20 games or so.

 

[Nucky]

I question whether or not he'd even maintain that pace had Rantanen stayed, but yeah clearly going from Rantanen to Necas is a drop off so it's not a surprise.

I'll be more curious to see how Rantanen performs over a full season without MacKinnon

 

[Plastic Joseph]

1.36 ppg is still amazing. For anyone outside of mcdavid or kuch that would be considered a hot streak

Mackinnon also played the 4 nations and then colorado made moves to be a deeper team.

This is a nothing burger unless he drops off this playoffs or next year. Sample is very small.

 

[OysterForever]

Good player loses good player and their production drops. This isn’t news

Somehow it is when talking about Rantanen

Weird

 

[Plastic Joseph]

You mean to tell me he was Rantanen merchant after all?

Funny thing also:

MacKinnon's first three seasons were under ppg, but soon as Rantanen joined the team his ppg started to rise.

Rantanen's first active season with Avalanche was 2016-2017

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Mackinnon was also 22 years old when he broke out. Not really unusual to see a player take strides at that age.

Rantanen definitely helped, but Mackinnon is still Mackinnon without him. Check what happened in 19-20 when rantanen went down.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Somehow it is when talking about Rantanen

Weird

Because that narrative is funnier

 

[TomBlizzy12]

You mean to tell me he was Rantanen merchant after all?

Funny thing also:

MacKinnon's first three seasons were under ppg, but soon as Rantanen joined the team his ppg started to rise.

Matt Douchenozzle was also on the team, which could explain the low production in the beginning

 

[Matsun]

Almost every season has a long hot stretch. Malkin went 31-32-63 in his last 41 games (128 point pace) in 11-12 and ''only'' had 17-28-45 in the other 34 games (109 point pace). MacKinnon last season had a 41 game stretch when he was 32-48-80 (160 point pace) and in the other 41 games he went 19-41-60 (120 point pace).

We don't know if this is related to Rantanen or just the normal variance we see from a player. It will be interesting to see next season but I suspect MacKinnon will score 120+ again.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

Rantanen definitely helped, but Mackinnon is still Mackinnon without him. Check what happened in 19-20 when rantanen went down.

Same is true vice versa: Rantanen has 52 points in 46 games = 1,13 ppg without MacKinnon in Avalanche.

Rantanen Stats Without Mackinnon | StatMuse

Mikko Rantanen has 29 goals, 47 assists and a plus-minus of +23 in 79 games without Nathan MacKinnon in his career.

www.statmuse.com

This stat is more to people who say Rantanen was just MacKinnon merchant.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Same is true vice versa: Rantanen has 52 points in 46 games = 1,13 ppg without MacKinnon in Avalanche.

Rantanen Stats Without Mackinnon | StatMuse

Mikko Rantanen has 29 goals, 47 assists and a plus-minus of +23 in 79 games without Nathan MacKinnon in his career.

www.statmuse.com

This stat is more to people who say Rantanen was just MacKinnon merchant.

Nobody credible says that

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

Somehow it is when talking about Rantanen

Weird

Well, Mikko has been well below average away from Mackinnon the last 3 full years in a very large sample size at the time of the trade.

Mack has still been very good away from Mikko.

It’s not like the concern isn’t routed in actual data.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

If you look at his stats for the season:

MacKinnon with Rantanen: 75p in 45 games = 1,53 ppg
MacKinnon without Rantanen: 41p in 30 games = 1,36 ppg

There's a clear differene of almost 0,2 ppg before and after Rantanen trade. Ofcourse, whichever number you look at,his stats are still elite , but do you think him playing without Rantanen the rest of the season contributed to the his ppg dipping?

0.2ppg is 1 point every 5 games? So its 6 points basically. Not nearly enough to say anything.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

Same is true vice versa: Rantanen has 52 points in 46 games = 1,13 ppg without MacKinnon in Avalanche.

Rantanen Stats Without Mackinnon | StatMuse

Mikko Rantanen has 29 goals, 47 assists and a plus-minus of +23 in 79 games without Nathan MacKinnon in his career.

www.statmuse.com

This stat is more to people who say Rantanen was just MacKinnon merchant.

These numbers are all pre 2022. Three years is a long time in hockey.

I’ll spare all the details but since the end of 2022 seasons Mikko hasn’t been the Mikko prior. His play and effort dipped.

He will always have an elite shot and an elite finisher but he’s never been ‘the guy’ since.

Every advance metric since has not been good. His Corsi away from Mack was bad and he was given multiple chances to drive his own line to no success.

I think he’ll still be a PPG guy in Dallas because he’s that talented. IMO, he won’t ever sniff 100 points being away from an insane line driver in Mack and a 90 point defenseman in Makar.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

You mean to tell me he was Rantanen merchant after all?

Funny thing also:

MacKinnon's first three seasons were under ppg, but soon as Rantanen joined the team his ppg started to rise.

Rantanen's first active season with Avalanche was 2016-2017 which was the season when they both underperformed compared to their current level. But from 2017-2018 onwards both have had ppg level seasons consistently.

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The Avs also had Duchene, ROR and Stastny when they drafted MacKinnon, which often resulted in Mack playing on the 2nd line with guys like Blake Comeau and Jarome Iginla's corpse. How is it remotely suprising that Mack scored more with Rantanen than he could without decent help?

 

[landy]

Silly hate thread for no reason. The Avalanche trade Rantanen for depth and depth started scoring giving MacKinnon some relief. Shocker

The Avalanche position has been locked up basically sicne the trade deadline. Nothing to play for outside of not imploding and still went 12-5-3 (11-3-3 with Nate in the lineup) with MacKinnon and Makar on cruise control. So much so that MacKinnon said F trying for the Art Ross, I'd rather rest for the playoffs and go watch my boy Gabe play down the street instead of traveling to Cali to play pointless games.

And to add onto all that, he may win the Hart or worst case get 2nd/3rd in voting. Pretty solid for a guy who hasnt had to play for anything in over a month and had his top winger traded.

 

[Soul Assumption]

I'm not surprised. Take Makar away from him and he'll be below a point per game.

 

[Sky04]

Silly hate thread for no reason. The Avalanche trade Rantanen for depth and depth started scoring giving MacKinnon some relief. Shocker

The Avalanche position has been locked up basically sicne the trade deadline. Nothing to play for outside of not imploding and still went 12-5-3 with MacKinnon and Makar on cruise control. So much so that MacKinnon said F trying for the Art Ross, I'd rather rest for the playoffs and go watch my boy Gabe play down the street instead of traveling to Cali to play pointless games.

And to add onto all that, he may win the Hart or worst case get 2nd/3rd in voting. Pretty solid for a guy who hasnt had to play for anything in over a month and had his top winger traded.

It's cause he already lost, will be funnier when he "rested" for the playoffs and loses round 1 anyways.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

What a disaster, he only finished with 116 points

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

It’s losing Mittlestadt that really does it.

 

[landy]

It's cause he already lost, will be funnier when he "rested" for the playoffs and loses round 1 anyways.

He was leading the race at the time...

Sure, maybe he did the math and saw Kucherov with games in hand, but everything we've seen shows the Avs had pointless games and chose to rest their stars. To me, that screams leadership not caring about individual accoldaes.

And they may lose round 1. There is a very real argument for the 2 best teams in the playoffs going at each other in the Avs/Stars. Nothing but respect for an amazing team if the Avs lose to them. Now if Nichushkin goes out again snorting coke, then ill be livid.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It’s strange how in the course of 3 months Rantanen went from a guy who was barely talked about to routinely being the feature of toxic arguments.

 

[RussianBum86]

If you look at his stats for the season:

MacKinnon with Rantanen: 75p in 45 games = 1,53 ppg
MacKinnon without Rantanen: 41p in 30 games = 1,36 ppg

There's a clear differene of almost 0,2 ppg before and after Rantanen trade. Ofcourse, whichever number you look at,his stats are still elite , but do you think him playing without Rantanen the rest of the season contributed to the his ppg dipping?

Makes sense he lost his trigger man. He hasn't made guys like Johnson 20 to 30 goal scorers. He hasn't shown the ability to turn 20 goal scorers Into 30/40 goal scorers. He hasn't shown he can take a 40 goal scorers and make him a 50+ goal scorer.