Value of: Mackenzie Blackwood to Edmonton

[backhandsauce]

What does it take?

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[Pinkfloyd]

3rd round pick and probably Collin Delia. We'd want an AHL goalie replacement to sub in for Askarov as he would be recalled to the Sharks at this point.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Lol this thread again.

Edmonton doesn't need goaltending they need defense.

 

[Xirik]

Yeah... reaching to the bottom of the barrel for a savior always works.

 

[Coffee]

Lol this thread again.

Edmonton doesn't need goaltending they need defense.

Someone literally made a meme of the KFC guy and replaced KFC with “STU” on you boards

What’s actually the problem?

 

[ManofSteel55]

Someone literally made a meme of the KFC guy and replaced KFC with “STU” on you boards

What’s actually the problem?

Fickle fans who love to pile on players when they are struggling?

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Edmonton doesn't need goaltending

 

[Coffee]

Fickle fans who love to pile on players when they are struggling?

Makes sense

I wasn’t trying to be a smart ass, I was just trying figure out the root causes for the slow start

 

[ManofSteel55]

Makes sense

I wasn’t trying to be a smart ass, I was just trying figure out the root causes for the slow start

Systems play mostly. Sloppyness, carelessness, blown coverage. Stu isn't a world beater, but I don't really think he is the problem. In a perfect world, we would have someone better, but that isn't Blackwood. The only way I consider Blackwood, is if we wanted to move on from Pickard, but he's been pretty good for the most part once again, so despite being in favour of this idea a week ago, I think I've changed my mind- Blackwood isn't worth the extra cap. hit. That 2nd pair RHD spot is still the biggest hole to fix.

 

[Romang67]

Honest question: what is it with Mackenzie Blackwood that make people think he could be a solid NHL starter? Is it that he was a second round pick? His one good year in the OHL? His one good year in the NHL, 5 years ago?

Because his name keeps coming up, and not in any of the conversations that they probably should pop up, like how he's overpaid despite making just over $2M per year.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

We need defense who don't have xbox controller disconnected moments when Jack Eichel is skating towards the Oilers net.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

We need defense who don't have xbox controller disconnected moments when Jack Eichel is skating towards the Oilers net.

Don't disagree with you there tbh

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Honest question: what is it with Mackenzie Blackwood that make people think he could be a solid NHL starter? Is it that he was a second round pick? His one good year in the OHL? His one good year in the NHL, 5 years ago?

Because his name keeps coming up, and not in any of the conversations that they probably should pop up, like how he's overpaid despite making just over $2M per year.

He was great last season

 

[Romang67]

He was great last season

He was arguably better than the other Sharks platoon goalie, waiver wire pickup Kaapo Kähkönen. Being better than him isn't a sign that you could be a solid starter.

He sure as hell wasn't great.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

He was arguably better than the other Sharks platoon goalie, waiver wire pickup Kaapo Kähkönen. Being better than him isn't a sign that you could be a solid starter.

He sure as hell wasn't great.

He was definitely great, hasn't been the same so far this season but, yeah, he was great last season

 

[Romang67]

He was definitely great, hasn't been the same so far this season but, yeah, he was great last season

By what measure? His save percentage was right around Kahkonen's, his GSAx had him in the Tristan Jarry / Alex Lyon range of goaltenders. And he didn't even do it with a starter's workload.

The fact that he stunk it up on an awful team doesn't mean he didn't stink it up.

 

[backhandsauce]

Lol this thread again.

Edmonton doesn't need goaltending they need defense.

They absolutely need goaltending.

They need a damn save when it counts.

Watch the two goals Florida scored in game 7.....

Stu is a good back up, he's not #1 material.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Honest question: what is it with Mackenzie Blackwood that make people think he could be a solid NHL starter? Is it that he was a second round pick? His one good year in the OHL? His one good year in the NHL, 5 years ago?

Because his name keeps coming up, and not in any of the conversations that they probably should pop up, like how he's overpaid despite making just over $2M per year.

It's a combination of factors. He's got size, decent fundamentals, was a bright spot on SJ during their worst season since the 90s and was one on the lottery Devils before that. His "fancy stats" also put him somewhere around average, which is what the Oilers can't even get out of Skinner.

Is he probably fool's good? Sure, and my preference is really Soderblom since he's younger and his numbers better in every way this year. But Edmonton needs to try something (anything) to find their own Monty or Hill. The status quo won't do.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

They absolutely need goaltending.

They need a damn save when it counts.

Watch the two goals Florida scored in game 7.....

Stu is a good back up, he's not #1 material.

Skinner is a top 15 to 20 goalie in the NHL. Getting an improvement to what the Oilers already have would be advocating for someone like Hellebuyck, Sorokin or Vasilevsky.

It's not going to happen.

 

[Romang67]

It's a combination of factors. He's got size, decent fundamentals, was a bright spot on SJ during their worst season since the 90s and was one on the lottery Devils before that. His "fancy stats" also put him somewhere around average, which is what the Oilers can't even get out of Skinner.

Is he probably fool's good? Sure, and my preference is really Soderblom since he's younger and his numbers better in every way this year. But Edmonton needs to try something (anything) to find their own Monty or Hill. The status quo won't do.

Yeah, but that's not average starter level. That's average NHL goalie. So a bad starter or good backup. He was 32nd in the league per Moneypuck, and 26th per Evolving Hockey.

His GSAx last season, his only somewhat good season since before COVID, was slgihtly better than Skinner per Moneypuck, and worse per Evolving Hockey. And Skinner actually had a starter's workload.

I genuinely don't see how Blackwood has proven to be a preferable alternative to Skinner, even if we ignore that he's 2 years older and hasn't been a full time starter over an entire season as a pro.

 

[My3Sons]

Honest question: what is it with Mackenzie Blackwood that make people think he could be a solid NHL starter? Is it that he was a second round pick? His one good year in the OHL? His one good year in the NHL, 5 years ago?

Because his name keeps coming up, and not in any of the conversations that they probably should pop up, like how he's overpaid despite making just over $2M per year.

He plays well enough in short sample sizes that you think there is a starter in there. The physical tools are all there. Size, strength, quickness, mobility, agility. He makes tremendous saves at times that few can. But he cannot sustain it. He loses focus, loses position, and loses his confidence. On the right night you see a bona fide starring goalie. Then you see him over four games and he's given up 17 goals getting pulled in one. He's 2-2 in that span but one win was a good game, one was a 5-4 win where he only faced 25 shots and two are bad with goals going in from bad angles or through standard screens without changing direction. If he could ever get his psyche stabilized he would be great.

 

[Romang67]

He plays well enough in short sample sizes that you think there is a starter in there. The physical tools are all there. Size, strength, quickness, mobility, agility. He makes tremendous saves at times that few can. But he cannot sustain it. He loses focus, loses position, and loses his confidence. On the right night you see a bona fide starring goalie. Then you see him over four games and he's given up 17 goals getting pulled in one. He's 2-2 in that span but one win was a good game, one was a 5-4 win where he only faced 25 shots and two are bad with goals going in from bad angles or through standard screens without changing direction. If he could ever get his psyche stabilized he would be great.

Thank you. This does actually explain people's infatuation with his potential.

Now, I don't agree with it, at all. He's about to turn 28 and hasn't shown that his consistency is improving. But it does explain why I keep threads popping up about trading for a goalie whom I consider to be on the level of off-year Brossoit.

 

[My3Sons]

Thank you. This does actually explain people's infatuation with his potential.

Now, I don't agree with it, at all. He's about to turn 28 and hasn't shown that his consistency is improving. But it does explain why I keep threads popping up about trading for a goalie whom I consider to be on the level of off-year Brossoit.

In goalie years 28 is like 25 for any other position for a lot of fans. Sort of like the big defender development curve where some don't round out their games until their later 20s. Most NJ fans will tell you that at this point he is what he is and maybe he works as a backup behind a true number one that can play 50+ games but you wouldn't want him on your team beyond that. But if you are a fan of a team other than NJ or the Sharks and catch him on a good night he'd still look like there is something there.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Honest question: what is it with Mackenzie Blackwood that make people think he could be a solid NHL starter? Is it that he was a second round pick? His one good year in the OHL? His one good year in the NHL, 5 years ago?

Because his name keeps coming up, and not in any of the conversations that they probably should pop up, like how he's overpaid despite making just over $2M per year.

I think from the NHL circles, it's the athletic ability that makes NHL people think he can be a solid starter. His numbers in San Jose have at least been positive relative to his team. It's impressive to me to have a goalie on that bad of a team still be able to have a positive goals save above expected even if the standard numbers you may look at for goalies like save percentage and GAA are pretty clearly not good. The Blackwood that has been playing in San Jose is at least a consistently solid presence that isn't a detriment to the team. A team with bad goaltending like the Avs and Oilers may only have the capability of bringing a player of Blackwood's value because he'd be cheap to acquire. There's not a lot of those types of goalies available right now.