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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, FEL (2016 Draft)

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FinnHockeyFan said:
Laine should go to play into Sarnia Sting.
His skating issues are major and playing into Sarnia Sting would probably help fix his skating issues and canadian skating coaches are best in the world

Also Laine has some attitude problems and move to canada would be good for him.
There he'll be far away of his home and that would help him to grew up for mentally.
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Is that some kind of a reverse psychology - 'Send the sick dog out'?
How on earth would it help sending a kid abroad who might suffer from mental problems and is getting help in his home country? Can't begin to grasp the ideology behind this logic.

What comes to skating, I kind of doubt he would have the same kind of personal coaching he can be provided in Finland. The talents get very good personal coaching here after being recognised. See Rantanen or Puljujärvi f.ex. What Laine needs is a good off-season workout program instead of being injured like last year.
 
kelsier said:
Is that some kind of a reverse psychology - 'Send the sick dog out'?
How on earth would it help sending a kid abroad who might suffer from mental problems and is getting help in his home country? Can't begin to grasp the ideology behind this logic.
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I take it you never studied a year abroad.
 
Alexandrov said:
People mature immensly when enablers and safetynets are removed and they are forced out of their comfort zone for a prolonged period of time
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Any responsible parent wouldn't send 17 year old kid abroad to "grow up". Your talking about a normal youngster who goes abroad to study, not one who has had psychological isssues in the past and who has seeked professional help to sort out those issues. The best care for the kid is at home and the best envinronment to grow up is to be part of grown up culture. He has the perfect opportunity for that by being part of Tappara organisation and let other grown ups mentor him on and off the ice. Seems he is dealing with his past by getting outside help which seems very responsible. However throwing him out of the safety net before he has even turned an adult is punch of nonsense.
 
Coming over to play in the OHL could be a good thing for him. He'll get to play against the best in his age group, and will likely get more visibility from scouts.

I wouldn't make the decision based on any perceived mental / emotional issues necessarily, he's old enough to be going away to college. If he thinks the OHL gives him the best chance to play in the NHL, he should consider it.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Coming over to play in the OHL could be a good thing for him. He'll get to play against the best in his age group, and will likely get more visibility from scouts.

I wouldn't make the decision based on any perceived mental / emotional issues necessarily, he's old enough to be going away to college. If he thinks the OHL gives him the best chance to play in the NHL, he should consider it.
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He's going to be playing in a well scouted professional league, whilst playing internationally. He will have plenty of visibility from a scouting perspective.

It's faily obvious what Laine needs to do. He needs to improve his skating and train and act like a professional. If he words hard enough and improves his issues, he's going to be a very high NHL draft pick. It's up to him. Which path offers helps him more in regards to his flaws, is anyones guess. No casual fan on this forum can know which is better.
 
kelsier said:
Any responsible parent wouldn't send 17 year old kid abroad to "grow up". Your talking about a normal youngster who goes abroad to study, not one who has had psychological isssues in the past and who has seeked professional help to sort out those issues. The best care for the kid is at home and the best envinronment to grow up is to be part of grown up culture. He has the perfect opportunity for that by being part of Tappara organisation and let other grown ups mentor him on and off the ice. Seems he is dealing with his past by getting outside help which seems very responsible. However throwing him out of the safety net before he has even turned an adult is punch of nonsense.
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I disagree on many levels
 
I'm not sure that decision is 100% yet but he'll most likely stay in Finland.

Same thing happened while back (Sarnia then aswell) when Pavel Zacha and his agent told Sarnia that he'll stay in Liberec but they drafted him 1st overall anyways and managed to convince him to play in NA.
 
J17 Vs Proclamation said:
He's going to be playing in a well scouted professional league, whilst playing internationally. He will have plenty of visibility from a scouting perspective.

It's faily obvious what Laine needs to do. He needs to improve his skating and train and act like a professional. If he words hard enough and improves his issues, he's going to be a very high NHL draft pick. It's up to him. Which path offers helps him more in regards to his flaws, is anyones guess. No casual fan on this forum can know which is better.
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Laine's 3 main issues have been his skating, two way/overall play and his "head". It seems he got the last part somewhat on track last season already but he needs to be around adult veterans who teach him how to act and behave in the locker room and bench and the general attitude towards the game. The best environment for that is in Finland for him.
 
Jussi said:
Laine's 3 main issues have been his skating, two way/overall play and his "head". It seems he got the last part somewhat on track last season already but he needs to be around adult veterans who teach him how to act and behave in the locker room and bench and the general attitude towards the game. The best environment for that is in Finland for him.
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I have to agree with this. Letting a 17 yo with a history of behaviour issues and a lack of work ethics go play in a junior hockey team where he could establish himself as a top offensive player ("the top dog") isn't likely to fix an attitude issue concerning defensive game or general behavior issues/attitude problems better than playing in a professional men's league. It would be nice to see one pure sniper that carries a Finnish passport, and a NA junior league would probably be great for developing that, but overall it seems staying in Finland would be the better option.
 
He should be playing with the pro-team and If Tappara's coaches are wise they make him the next Barkov for the organization.
 
ElHefe said:
He should be playing with the pro-team and If Tappara's coaches are wise they make him the next Barkov for the organization.
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Except Laine is pure right winger not center
Tappara lost 2 their best scorers ( Palola and Jormakka) to KHL.

So there's top line spot waiting for Laine
 
Strong start for the season: 3 games in U20, goal in each game. Comments in twitter also state, that Laine is back on track and maybe could even challenge Puljujärvi in the draft. Good stuff!
 
teravaineSAROS said:
Really?? I hope they're not just overhyping him
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Yeah, probably they are, but Laine offers an intriguing package of size, goal scoring and skill. If he gets his feet moving, he could also be an effective power forward. But as for now Pulju is set to go top3, Laine probably in top15.
 
FinProspects said:
Yeah, probably they are, but Laine offers an intriguing package of size, goal scoring and skill. If he gets his feet moving, he could also be an effective power forward. But as for now Pulju is set to go top3, Laine probably in top15.
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Yes. Obviously depends on their seasons. If Laine and Puljujärvi produce at the same rate in Liiga this year, who knows what will happen in regards to their draft positions. Still, if the draft was held right now, Puljujärvi would most likely have the edge.

However, there's no denying that Laine seems to be progressing nicely. I think that as a pure goal scorer he is slightly ahead of Puljujärvi, but Puljujärvi offers a more complete package and has undeniably produced at a better rate thus far. Laine's skating and defensive play still need a considerable amount of work.
 
HockeyHistorian said:
I think that as a pure goal scorer he is slightly ahead of Puljujärvi, but Puljujärvi offers a more complete package and has undeniably produced at a better rate thus far. Laine's skating and defensive play still need a considerable amount of work.
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That will probably be the situation in 5 years to be honest. For what I've seen from Kärpät juniors like Pulju, Aho and Kalapudas is that they want to be more all around-players, which probably will eat some of their offensive zone production, but make them more safe bets as a overall players-> more likely to achieve NHL.

I kinda hope that that isnt the case for Laine. Rather focus on your strenghts than your weaknesses. There's always room in any team for a 195cm sniper, even if there would be some glaring weaknesses in the defensive play.
 
Laine seems progress really well.
But is there still chance for that Laine goes to CHL.

Sarnia Sting owns his rights to CHL, so i think they ( Sarnia Sting team management) would probably try to bring Laine in CHL.
Playing in CHL would be excellent, development league for Laine's weaknesses ( skating and defensive play).
 
FinnHockeyFan said:
Laine seems progress really well.
But is there still chance for that Laine goes to CHL.

Sarnia Sting owns his rights to CHL, so i think they ( Sarnia Sting team management) would probably try to bring Laine in CHL.
Playing in CHL would be excellent, development league for Laine's weaknesses ( skating and defensive play).
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I fail to see how CHL would be better for his skating and defensive play than playing against men in Liiga. CHL could maybe be better for polishing his offensive skills and adjustment to NA both on and off the ice. As was discussed earlier, it would be a highly questionable choice for him to leave to NA with his history of behavioral problems. I'm 99% sure that Laine will stay in Finland.
 
HockeyHistorian said:
I fail to see how CHL would be better for his skating and defensive play than playing against men in Liiga. CHL could maybe be better for polishing his offensive skills and adjustment to NA both on and off the ice. As was discussed earlier, it would be a highly questionable choice for him to leave to NA with his history of behavioral problems. I'm 99% sure that Laine will stay in Finland.
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How good is he for Liiga? Will he get enough ice time or will he end up in Mestis?

Also how good is Laine overall and skating wise compared to Rantanen at the that age?
 
teravaineSAROS said:
How good is he for Liiga? Will he get enough ice time or will he end up in Mestis?

Also how good is Laine overall and skating wise compared to Rantanen at the that age?
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I think he has developed. Rantanen put ALOT effort in to his skating and it developed alot in 3 years, but i don't know if Laine has the skating at liiga level.
 
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I just posted in the Puljujärvi thread that I was at the game yesterday and Laine has really developed nicely and I think he will go before Puljujärvi in the draft.

Laine's shot, positional awareness, size and strength make him an extremely intriguing prospect.

Puljujärvi is also very good. An elite level passer and skater (one of the best I have seen for his size), but he doesn't have the scoring touch I'd expect from a potential top 3 draftee and at times he really seemed unaware of where to position himself on the ice.

I think part of it is that while playing with Laine, Puljujärvi isn't the go-to option (especially on the power play) and therefore he doesn't really know where to go on the ice. I've read from others that Laine and Puljujärvi don't really complement each other very well (I noticed this at Hlinka also), and that was very apparent yesterday.
 
seadawg said:
I just posted in the Puljujärvi thread that I was at the game yesterday and Laine has really developed nicely and I think he will go before Puljujärvi in the draft.

Laine's shot, positional awareness, size and strength make him an extremely intriguing prospect.

Puljujärvi is also very good. An elite level passer and skater (one of the best I have seen for his size), but he doesn't have the scoring touch I'd expect from a potential top 3 draftee and at times he really seemed unaware of where to position himself on the ice.

I think part of it is that while playing with Laine, Puljujärvi isn't the go-to option (especially on the power play) and therefore he doesn't really know where to go on the ice. I've read from others that Laine and Puljujärvi don't really complement each other very well (I noticed this at Hlinka also), and that was very apparent yesterday.
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Puljujärvi last season with kärpät on powerplay he could even miss the puck when shooting a one-timer :/ so i really hope he has put effort on to it to become better, because it was abysmal last season to be honest.
 

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