LW Patrik Laine (2016, 2nd, WPG) XVI

[93LEAFS]

Ohh has Werenski been that good? what about Nylander? I haven't followed Werenski so much

Werenski may be having the best teenage rookie season we have seen in years by defenceman. He's extremely composed and is getting balanced usage. His numbers will regress a bit, but we are talking about a 25 minute a game kid facing top units. Granted, if he doesn't put up crazy offensive numbers like he currently is on pace for he may get overlooked due to team and market.

As for Leaders, its way up in the air. As seen by Laine's game last night and its effect on the race, if one huge game can still drastically impact the vote it too early to name the multiple favorites. Right now Laine, the 3 Leafs, Vesey, Werenski, and Konecny are in the discussion (and I probably missed a couple other reasonable candidates).

 

[Hobby Bull]

The guy I quoted litersely said Lemieuex= Laine.
Can you quote me where I said I haven't heard anything?

I'm not absolutely sure what "litersely" means, but you clearly expressed shock 7 posts above this one, if you'd like to look back that far.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I could see if Winnipeg and Toronto were in the same division, or conference, to fuel this back and forth on our draft picks.

Meeting in a cup finaĺ, all Canadian matchup with both players playing like all stars would be epic. I hope both play well, till then that is.

Laine is special though, I am stoked at what this kids going to be playing like in 5 years time.

 

[Hobby Bull]

I never said anyone should be concerned about Leaf fans coming in and finding overreactions. I only mentioned Matthews because I said the same thing when he was on a tear.
Am I not allowed to be a fan of Laine because I'm a leaf fan? I haven't said anything g about Matthews other than that Matthews fans overreacted the same way some Laine fans are. "76 goals is feasible" "Laine = Lemieux"

For some reason everyone is losing their mind because I said people should temper their expectations if they think he will get 76 goals.

**** sakes. I'm a leaf fan but I'm more a fan of the game and it's exciting seeing rookies get hattricks. You have no right to tell me which threads I can and can't post to.


Damn. I guess I'll have to send back the Laine jersey I ordered because Im apparently not allowed to talk about Laine

I've looked at dozens of pages, so they're starting to blur, and I may have missed who you're quoting. You are using quotation marks, but you didn't quote another poster.

You certainly are not quoting any significant body of opinion. Instead, you are manufacturing an opposing viewpoint, and then ridiculing it. Is this a useful debate technique for you?

 

[Gavy]

I've looked at dozens of pages, so they're starting to blur, and I may have missed who you're quoting. You are using quotation marks, but you didn't quote another poster.

You certainly are not quoting any significant body of opinion. Instead, you are manufacturing an opposing viewpoint, and then ridiculing it. Is this a useful debate technique for you?

People said those things in this thread, I said people need to calm down with their expectations if they expect that.
I didn't make up what you bolder but if you can't find those posts, not my problem.

 

[Hobby Bull]

People said those things in this thread, I said people need to calm down with their expectations if they expect that.
I didn't make up what you bolder but if you can't find those posts, not my problem.

Ahhh... exactly as I thought.

You're manufacturing the point of view you're ridiculing. Thanks for clarifying. I do think that's a common debate technique.

I couldn't find the source of your "quotes" either.

 

[Gavy]

Ahhh... exactly as I thought.

You're manufacturing the point of view you're ridiculing. Thanks for clarifying. I do think that's a common debate technique.

I couldn't find the source of your "quotes" either.

So because you can't find the quotes, I made them up? I just went back and looked and found them again so it's obvious you haven't read the full thread

 

[Loffer]

Now when you took it up, is Laine's hair line receding or not? I think the jury is still out. Hasn't it been like that since he was a - eh - kid?!

And by the same token: What is the secret of Trump's creepy strange hair line?

 

[Gavy]

Now when you took it up, is Laine's hair line receding or not? I think the jury is still out. Hasn't it been like that since he was a - eh - kid?!

And by the same token: What is the secret of Trump's creepy strange hair line?

Matthews and Laine both have a big forehead and they're both NHL ready prospects and huge. Probably has something to do with it.

This post reminded me of the username ' the Finnish forehead' or something like that and it still makes me laugh whenever I think of it

 

[Hobby Bull]

So because you can't find the quotes, I made them up? I just went back and looked and found them again so it's obvious you haven't read the full thread

Are you really going to stick with that? I know you know how to quote other users. The only guy who said anything like that, other than you, states right from the start that Laine wasn't going to get 76 goals this year. Want me to quote him for you?

So, not only is he being misquoted, but he goes from being one person to being all the people on here that you're trying to bring back to reality.

 

[Hobby Bull]

He likely will not score even close to Teemu's 76 as a few of us had joked about before the season started (although obv. not impossible). But I will say in 4 years from now, when Laine is the same age as Selanne was his rookie season, 76 is quite feasible.

My expectations were quite substantial for Laine this rookie season and I am shocked and delighted to say he has exceeded those expectations.

I bolded the first sentence, to help Gavy out with research.

 

[Gavy]

Are you really going to stick with that? I know you know how to quote other users. The only guy who said anything like that, other than you, states right from the start that Laine wasn't going to get 76 goals this year. Want me to quote him for you?

So, not only is he being misquoted, but he goes from being one person to being all the people on here that you're trying to bring back to reality.

Yes. Quote him for me. He says " 76 goals is quite feasible" which is what I ****ing said. Another poster said " laine=Lemieux" which I ****ing said as well.

I think you just like to argue

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Hahah. How rabidly can debate to descent to a level of total irrelevancy.

I seriously think that Laine's last night efforts took more attention in this club then randomizations between two equally bad candidates of some foreign country.

Laine's hairline presumably won't affect to his goal scoring ability. Maybe someday after 20-25 years in NHL, yes, but only co-incidentially even then.

 

[Gavy]

I bolded the first sentence, to help Gavy out with research.

Did I quote that part or did I quote the part where he said "76 is quite feasible"

Your whole argument is that these things were never said.

I'm done arguing, get over it

 

[ItchyScratchy77]

Yes. Quote him for me. He says " 76 goals is quite feasible" which is what I ****ing said. Another poster said " laine=Lemieux" which I ****ing said as well.

I think you just like to argue

You know that feasible means possible to do, right? I am saying possible. You aren't saying not likely. You are saying zero percent chance. How do you know? Is Sylvia Browne your old lady? Did you steal the Grays Sports Almanac from Back To The Future? (oh wait, that only goes to 2000 lol). It's impossible to have a logical debate with someone like this this.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You know that feasible means possible to do, right? I am saying possible. You aren't saying not likely. You are saying zero percent chance. How do you know? Is Sylvia Browne your old lady? Did you steal the Grays Sports Almanac from Back To The Future? It's impossible to have a logical debate with someone like this this.

To be fair unless the NHL changes its style then 76 goals is basically impossible. Unless Laine is by FAR the greatest scorer of all time.

 

[ItchyScratchy77]

To be fair unless the NHL changes its style then 76 goals is basically impossible. Unless Laine is by FAR the greatest scorer of all time.

Or they shrink the goalie pads. For a kid like Laine, who can pick his spots, inches will become miles. Or he becomes the greatest goal scorer of all time. Not an expectation, but an unlikely, hopeful possibility.

 

[Gavy]

You know that feasible means possible to do, right? I am saying possible. You aren't saying not likely. You are saying zero percent chance. How do you know? Is Sylvia Browne your old lady? Did you steal the Grays Sports Almanac from Back To The Future? (oh wait, that only goes to 2000 lol). It's impossible to have a logical debate with someone like this this.

That's not what I'm arguing. He is saying I made both of those things up. I'm not arguing the definition of feasible

 

[Hobby Bull]

Did I quote that part or did I quote the part where he said "76 is quite feasible"

Your whole argument is that these things were never said.

I'm done arguing, get over it

Ah, so you're removing the quote from context. Fair enough.

...and... you're tempering the expectations of the person who thinks it may be possible some day.

That does make your point clearer.

Thanks.

I'm going to throw in with itchyscratchy then, and say it could be possible some day. Let your outrage live on.

 

[Hobby Bull]

That's not what I'm arguing. He is saying I made both of those things up. I'm not arguing the definition of feasible

You do know the term "people" is plural, right?

and by removing the context, you made it sound that multiple people were expecting that for this year, which no one stated. No one.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

The pace at which he is able to adapt and progress is really something special. I mean McDavid was practically flawless since his first shift, but who have we seen something like this from? He's outproducing every goal scorer in the league at 18, while still having some kinks to work out in his game. That to me screams HIGH ceiling. Maybe the Lemieux comparisons weren't that far fetched after all.

I was making Lemieux comparisons back in march and was being mocked by people who had no idea what they were talking about.

It's nice to come back and laugh.

 

[Gavy]

Ah, so you're removing the quote from context. Fair enough.

...and... you're tempering the expectations of the person who thinks it may be possible some day.

That does make your point clearer.

Thanks.

I'm going to throw in with itchyscratchy then, and say it could be possible some day. Let your outrage live on.

How do you know what I'm talking about? You said those things were never said and that I made them up.


Take a deep breath, step back from the computer and just let it go

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Maybe these guys have a Crystal Ball in their basements because they seemingly try twist things to look like there really exist wide spread and heavily supported idea that Laine Scores 76 Goals.

Their tactics is wrong.

They categorically claim it's impossible in any given circumstances. That is something that only those crystal balls can tell to them.

I abstain to quote anything in this kind discussion atmosphere.

 

[Gavy]

I can't imagine how good it would be for the game if Laine finished the season with the most goals.

That'd be huge

 

[Plural]

You know that feasible means possible to do, right? I am saying possible. You aren't saying not likely. You are saying zero percent chance. How do you know? Is Sylvia Browne your old lady? Did you steal the Grays Sports Almanac from Back To The Future? (oh wait, that only goes to 2000 lol). It's impossible to have a logical debate with someone like this this.

To be fair, "quite feasible" has a pretty strong "it's possible" connotation to it. So, you saying it's quite feasible that Laine scores 76 goals does make it seem like you think it's not only possible, but even likely. I'm not sure if that was your intention and this argument is getting heavily in to semantics and that's pointless. But the wording you chose is not the best.