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LW Matthew Knies - Tri-City Storm, USHL (2021, 57th, TOR)
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Skinnyjimmy08
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I See Demons!!!!!
This thread is now about a Toronto prospect that just played poorly in a tournament. People aren't here for "perspective".
Coaches Coroner
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I'm guessing you ignored the "stylistic" caveat to those comparisons. Not surprising; I'd wager the average reading level of HF posters is well below high school level.
It's also very funny to me that you and others seem aware of Leaf fans over hyping things on HF...but then took their overhype at face value, so that you were disappointed when he didn't live up to it in a summer tourney.
Doesn't make the most sense.
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Ya, his trade value definitely goes up when random Leaf fans on HF hype him up. The Brain Genius factory is still producing at full capacity in our nations capital, I see.
Very funny that people who didn't see him all last year during regular season play, are basing their entire opinion on an August pre-season tournament...it's like everyone else is racing to be as dumb as the Leaf fans they whine about so much.
Lavar Ball
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I don't even find Knies to be that hyped anywhere outside the Leafs boards
Skinnyjimmy08
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Go straight to being so damn defensive hey?
You got it all wrong and I was actually very excited to see him play and had high hopes from reading the comparisons.
Unsure why you get so bent out of shape? I'm assuming it's from knowing these names were thrown around for comparisons and he looked nothing like that at the WJC.
I assume this player will have a monster year in the NCAA next season and will continue being a top prospect
No need to get fired up, it's ok for other hockey fans to say that certain players didn't impress them at this tournament. I have actually said many times that this is a strange time for kids to play in a massive tournament and it was expected for alot of players to disappoint
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All I did was point out something you seemed to miss. Sorry if that bothered you.
Skinnyjimmy08
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Oh it's all good you don't have to appologize... At times unfortunately fans need to use this site to read about players they are unable to watch and see who fans compare them too is all. Sometimes fans comparisons are agreed to by other fans and sometimes they arent
Kelly
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can't speak for some of the crazy fans... but most of the hype comes from his 'style' fitting what the Leafs need in their top six to a tee..
Matthews comparisons were stylistic only.. he's got great hands in tight, has a nice quick release of a shot and is a big boy, I'm not a fan of the comparison as Knies and Matthews skill wise are on totally different levels. But I see how some people would compare how they play in some portions of their game.
I haven't been able to watch much of him at the wjc, but from what I've seen he doesn't look like the Knies I seen last year. Short tournament though, all it takes is a bad couple first games and youre playing catch up the entire tournament. Wouldn't be the first prospect to underperform at this tournament. Really not worried about it at all.
Matthews comparisons were stylistic only.. he's got great hands in tight, has a nice quick release of a shot and is a big boy, I'm not a fan of the comparison as Knies and Matthews skill wise are on totally different levels. But I see how some people would compare how they play in some portions of their game.
I haven't been able to watch much of him at the wjc, but from what I've seen he doesn't look like the Knies I seen last year. Short tournament though, all it takes is a bad couple first games and youre playing catch up the entire tournament. Wouldn't be the first prospect to underperform at this tournament. Really not worried about it at all.
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He had a solid career, but now he’s been bracco’d
AlternateSideParking
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You guys are smoking crack if you think Nies had a bad tournament. Easily one of their two or three top players on the puck, he hustled off it, and was keeping plays alive.
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I like the player— and respect whenever you provide your opinion on here Steve - but I think we was watching two different USA Teams.
He was his usual physical self - yes, and I thought he was pretty good on the defensive side of the puck other than that though, I thought he struggled to keep up with the pace of the game that Coronato and Cooley wanted to play.
I think that Knies just didn’t fit on that line and his strenghs weren’t being used in the offensive zone effectively. I think that Slaggert and Knies should have switched spots - it would have made the roster more balanced and allowed Knies to utilize his skill set better.
Eggtimer
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Cant get too high or too low based off of one WJC ( that was is in August…).
I am not a Leaf’s fan and usually get annoyed by the Knies hype. However , I felt he was always involved in the play whenever he was on the ice. With and without the pick it seemed like he was always just there. I think he has the ability to be a very good NHL player but not as elite or game breaking as some think. Time will tell. He seems to be ahead of schedule considering how long it takes bigger “power forward“ types to develop? Just my 2 cents. If I was a leaf’s fan I’d be excited about him but let’s not get too crazy and think he is Marner level skilled.
I am not a Leaf’s fan and usually get annoyed by the Knies hype. However , I felt he was always involved in the play whenever he was on the ice. With and without the pick it seemed like he was always just there. I think he has the ability to be a very good NHL player but not as elite or game breaking as some think. Time will tell. He seems to be ahead of schedule considering how long it takes bigger “power forward“ types to develop? Just my 2 cents. If I was a leaf’s fan I’d be excited about him but let’s not get too crazy and think he is Marner level skilled.
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i didn’t see the issues like the other posters here about him keeping up with his line mates it’s just Cooley had the puck the entire time they had possession and he sure didn’t like to dish it that’s for sure. Not sure why he was the net front presence on PP when he had a better shot than the whiffers on the side walls. Just poor coaching I guess
Good rule of thumb for non-Leafs fans when judging Leafs prospects/players: the player is not as good as the loudest voices you see say he is and not as bad as the loudest voices you see say he is. Knies is a projectable prospect with a toolset and physical attributes that are exciting for Leafs fans because they represent the kind of player the team hasn't had much of in years. That's not to say he's going to be a star, but rather to say his skillset is a longstanding area of need at a position of need, so fans tend to be a little more invested in his progress. He's also one of the higher picks the Leafs have had in the last few years so he's talked about as much as a first rounder. But he's still a second-round pick so I don't know why some point to the expected non-linear development as some gotcha evidence that he's a failure (well, I guess I do know why).
He's been hyped in general, but just because of being overrated by Leafs fans.
There's no running from the fact that for a u20 player in a u20 tournament, his performance was very mediocre. However, it's possible for a player to be mediocre in u-20s and have a solid career. Roope Hintz comes to mind.
Lavar Ball
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Totally agree. No arguing his performance was nothing inspiring. All I'm saying is I don't see him being that hyped. See way, WAY more comments of people shitting on Knies than people praising him (outside of Leafs boards)
Knies has been plenty hyped. Knies is a good prospect and there's good reason for Leafs fans to be excited about him, but he shouldn't be a prospect that every fanbase knows about.
TheDoldrums
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Main thing I found concerning was that he seemed to have absolutely zero chemistry with his new Minnesota teammate Cooley, which doesn't bode well for him taking the next step offensively this season.
Lavar Ball
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He shouldn't be a prospect every fanbase knows about? Not sure I agree. At least for fans who consider themselves to be serious hockey fans. Anyone who even barely follows NCAA hockey would know who he is. He was one of the best players in college last season. To me Knies is a guy who would be top 5 in almost every pool in the league, but he is not a guy you want as your number 1 or 2 prospect.
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Way too much made of his WJC performance. Look at Jarventie. He completely stunk in his first WJC. Now he is in top 5 in points. Knies can do the same potentially.
Let’s also not forget entire US WJC team stunk, aside from a few players…
Let’s also not forget entire US WJC team stunk, aside from a few players…
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imo Knies is going to fill the role that Hyman did and Bunting currently does. Top-9 glue player but younger and a higher ceiling
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