LW Luke Toporowski (2019 undrafted; signed by BOS; traded to MIN)

[dechire]

Am pretty sure that must be Kerry Toporowski's kid.

If so, Luke's Dad was a goon, he was an animal back in the day. LOL

Having watched him today there's definitely some of that in this kid too. He's pretty feisty out there considering it's just training camp scrimmages. A couple of tussles and cross-checks. Not really what I was expecting

 

[93LEAFS]

Nylander didn't play in an IIHF event until he had spent 2 seasons in Sweden.

Toporowski will not have played solely in Canada for two years by his draft year (although the CHL is different).

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I just think that that is what he is saying.

Nylander did play in an IIHF event before he spent two years in Sweden, he needed a special waiver. As by IIHF rules, he wasn't eligible to play for a single country. Born in Canada, developed in the USA til 15, and moved to Sweden at 15. Nylander played in the IIHF events prior to even spending a full year in Sweden.

http://www.iihf.com/de/home-of-hock...]=7329&cHash=8aa143f241aa2137f4617467f6cc7634

Edit: By reading the rules though for Nylander though it appears Toporowski will never be eligible, but the Galchenyuk situation confuses it because he was never a resident of the United States for 730 days, as he only moved at 15, and then played in Sarnia at 16 and has lived in Canada since.

 

[William H Bonney]

Nylander did play in an IIHF event before he spent two years in Sweden, he needed a special waiver. As by IIHF rules, he wasn't eligible to play for a single country. Born in Canada, developed in the USA til 15, and moved to Sweden at 15. Nylander played in the IIHF events prior to even spending a full year in Sweden.

http://www.iihf.com/de/home-of-hock...]=7329&cHash=8aa143f241aa2137f4617467f6cc7634

Edit: By reading the rules though for Nylander though it appears Toporowski will never be eligible, but the Galchenyuk situation confuses it because he was never a resident of the United States for 730 days, as he only moved at 15, and then played in Sarnia at 16 and has lived in Canada since.

Galchenyuk only has American citizenship, so he's not the same type of situation.

 

[93LEAFS]

Galchenyuk only has American citizenship, so he's not the same type of situation.

Galchenyuk possessed a Russian passport and spent enough of the required time training there to qualify. So in actuality, he should have played for Russia. Whereas Nylander actually qualified nowhere. I don't see how the Galchenyuk issue is much different from Toporwski.

 

[William H Bonney]

Galchenyuk possessed a Russian passport and spent enough of the required time training there to qualify. So in actuality, he should have played for Russia. Whereas Nylander actually qualified nowhere. I don't see how the Galchenyuk issue is much different from Toporwski.

No, that's not true. When Galchenyuk played in the WJC he only had American citizenship.

 

[93LEAFS]

No, that's not true. When Galchenyuk played in the WJC he only had American citizenship.

Because he renounced his Russian passport.

https://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2012/06/12/the-curious-case-of-alex-galchenyuk/

“I just have my American passport now, and it was my decision all the way. My dad said to make the decision that makes me comfortable. I felt comfortable about USA Hockey and how they treat the players. I consider myself an American.â€

 

[William H Bonney]

Because he renounced his Russian passport.

https://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2012/06/12/the-curious-case-of-alex-galchenyuk/

Like I said, he didn't have dual citizenship. Hence why Galchenyuk is different than the Toporowski, Chchryun, Nylander, etc. situations.

 

[93LEAFS]

Hence why Galchenyuk is different than the Toporowski, Chchryun, Nylander, etc. situations.

Nylander was eligible for no-one (without a waiver). Galchenyuk chose to renounce his citizenship to force the IIHF hand. I don't get how you can be in favor of Galchenyuk to play for the USA but think it would be ridiculous for to play for Canada. The IIHF if they were actually principled should have told Galchenyuk it was Russia or no-one, considering he clearly didn't meet the requirements for the United States.

edit: Either way, if the argument was he played in an American affiliated for years required, it should hold true here.

 

[William H Bonney]

I don't get how you can be in favor of Galchenyuk to play for the USA but think it would be ridiculous for to play for Canada.

Where did I say this?

The IIHF if they were actually principled should of told Galchenyuk it was Russia or no-one, considering he clearly didn't meet the requirements for the United States.

He met the requirements. The facts are the facts whether you like them or not.

 

[93LEAFS]

Where did I say this?



He met the requirements. The facts are the facts whether you like them or not.

Flat out, if the requirements were just to play in a Canadian affiliated league (and not residency which they ignored in Galchenyuk's case) then Toporowski should be eligible just by playing in the CHL for 2 years.

How, he never lived in the USA for 730 consecutive days, which is the listed requirement? He played a season in Chicago then resided in Sarnia.

 

[dechire]

Why not wait to argue about his IIHF country choice until after he actually makes it ? There's more talk in here about his dual citizenship than about his hockey

 

[William H Bonney]

Flat out, if the requirements were just to play in a Canadian affiliated league (and not residency which they ignored in Galchenyuk's case) then Toporowski should be eligible just by playing in the CHL for 2 years.

Toporowski's case and Galchenyuk's cases aren't the same. You're better off not comparing them.

How, he never lived in the USA for 730 consecutive days, which is the listed requirement? He played a season in Chicago then resided in Sarnia.

You weren't even aware of Galchenyuk's citizenship status, yet you feel you're an authority on his eligibility? Again, the IIHF rule that applied to the Chychrun case or would potentially apply to the Toporowski case is not the same as the rule that applied to Galchenyuk's case. It's the same reason why Stefan Matteau was denied his eligibility to play for Team USA at the IIHF U18s a mere 8 months before Galchenyuk played for Team USA at the WJC.

Anyway, the details on Galchenyuk are murky. According to the IIHF's own site, he was "approached by Russia at the age of 18 if he’d like to declare Russian citizenship, but he declined."

 

[McMatthews]

Toporowski's case and Galchenyuk's cases aren't the same. You're better off not comparing them.

You weren't even aware of Galchenyuk's citizenship status, yet you feel you're an authority on his eligibility? Again, the IIHF rule that applied to the Chychrun case or would potentially apply to the Toporowski case is not the same as the rule that applied to Galchenyuk's case. It's the same reason why Stefan Matteau was denied his eligibility to play for Team USA at the IIHF U18s a mere 8 months before Galchenyuk played for Team USA at the WJC.

Anyway, the details on Galchenyuk are murky. According to the IIHF's own site, he was "approached by Russia at the age of 18 if he’d like to declare Russian citizenship, but he declined."

It should be noted that Galchenyuk and his family mostly have roots in Belarus and not Russia.

If all things were equal, he'd likely choose to represent Belarus but they're a relegation level team.

 

[93LEAFS]

Toporowski's case and Galchenyuk's cases aren't the same. You're better off not comparing them.



You weren't even aware of Galchenyuk's citizenship status, yet you feel you're an authority on his eligibility? Again, the IIHF rule that applied to the Chychrun case or would potentially apply to the Toporowski case is not the same as the rule that applied to Galchenyuk's case. It's the same reason why Stefan Matteau was denied his eligibility to play for Team USA at the IIHF U18s a mere 8 months before Galchenyuk played for Team USA at the WJC.

Anyway, the details on Galchenyuk are murky. According to the IIHF's own site, he was "approached by Russia at the age of 18 if he’d like to declare Russian citizenship, but he declined."

No, I was fully aware he was a duel citizenship or at the very least possessed a Russian password. Chychrun and Galchenyuk aren't the same at all, Chychrun moved to play the GTHL for his OHL draft year, then didn't gain eligibility til he had spent 730 days in Canada, and played 2 years in Canada, explain to me how he met those requirements unless they counted the CHL as a duel league and scrapped the residency requirement. It clearly applies because it gets to the root of what the IIHF is deeming requirements. Galchenyuk really shouldn't be eligible for anyone outside of potentially Russia. But either way, no point in furthering this debate, Galchenyuk's cases seem very open to interpretation, but I do think however they are classifying what the CHL is (whether it is just a Canadian league) and the residency requirement doesn't matter.

 

[William H Bonney]

No, I was fully aware he was a duel citizenship or at the very least possessed a Russian password. Chychrun and Galchenyuk aren't the same at all, Chychrun moved to play the GTHL for his OHL draft year, then didn't gain eligibility til he had spent 730 days in Canada, and played 2 years in Canada, explain to me how he met those requirements unless they counted the CHL as a duel league and scrapped the residency requirement. It clearly applies because it gets to the root of what the IIHF is deeming requirements. Galchenyuk really shouldn't be eligible for anyone outside of potentially Russia. But either way, no point in furthering this debate, Galchenyuk's cases seem very open to interpretation, but I do think however they are classifying what the CHL is (whether it is just a Canadian league) and the residency requirement doesn't matter.

The rules during Galchenyuk's time and Chychrun's time aren't the same. You keep quoting the 730 days which hasn't been the rule in years.

 

[93LEAFS]

The rules during Galchenyuk's time and Chychrun's time aren't the same. You keep quoting the 730 days which hasn't been the rule in years.

The rule dates back to 2012, prior to anytime Galchenyuk had played in any sanctioned tournament for the United States. See how Nylander had to apply for an exemption. The rule is still in place, which is why Cal Foote can't play for this years WJC team.

http://www.iihf.com/de/home-of-hock...]=7329&cHash=8aa143f241aa2137f4617467f6cc7634

Galchenyuk didn't play for the United States in an IIHF even til that years world juniors.

The player must have been a resident of that country and must have participated for at least two consecutive years (730 days) in the national competitions of the country he wishes to represent. For the purpose of this rule, the IIHF considers years after the player’s 12th birthday.

So the rule absolutely was in place when Galchenyuk was trying to start playing for the USA, and is still in place today.

Edit: He played Hilinka before that, but that isn't a sanctioned event.

 

[William H Bonney]

The rule dates back to 2012, prior to anytime Galchenyuk had played in any sanctioned tournament for the United States. See how Nylander had to apply for an exemption. The rule is still in place, which is why Cal Foote can't play for this years WJC team.

http://www.iihf.com/de/home-of-hock...]=7329&cHash=8aa143f241aa2137f4617467f6cc7634

Galchenyuk didn't play for the United States in an IIHF even til that years world juniors.



So the rule absolutely was in place when Galchenyuk was trying to start playing for the USA, and is still in place today.

Edit: He played Hilinka before that, but that isn't a sanctioned event.

I didn't say the rule wasn't in place. I know the rule. I said the rule was different for Galchenyuk (in 2012) than it is for Chychrun (since 2014). This is another actual fact. You keep quoting 730 days when it's been 480 days since 2014, which is one of the differences. Please read the rules.

 

[93LEAFS]

I didn't say the rule wasn't in place. I know the rule. I said the rule was different for Galchenyuk (in 2012) than it is for Chychrun (since 2014). This is another actual fact. You keep quoting 730 days when it's been 480 days since 2014, which is one of the differences. Please read the rules.

Edit: Okay, I get it. I still have no idea on how Galchenyuk got permission to play for the USA without residing there for more than a year at most.

Either way, lets leave it to the topic at hand, this has derailed too far. I hope this kid is worth all this bickering in the future. Surprised to hear him spoken so highly of. I guess he is the best 2001, but I thought the was generally considered Jack Hughes. And I'd love to know if the CHL actually counts even if he's on a USA based team. The Galchenyuk situation seems to of meant it applied.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

This thread sucks so far due to this citizenship discussion

Im really hoping someone can comment on his actual play on the ice at rookie camp in Spokane. I wanna hear how he's been so far

 

[dechire]

This thread sucks so far due to this citizenship discussion

Im really hoping someone can comment on his actual play on the ice at rookie camp in Spokane. I wanna hear how he's been so far

Well you can always count on me for that lol. He did alright in day 1. Definitely overshadowed by playing on a team with Kailer and JAD. 3 of his fellow 2016 draft picks were on a line together and kind of stole the show with a surprising amount of chemistry. Luke wasn't bad but didn't seem to click with his linemates so I hope they'll be shuffled around today. Seemed to be learning as the day went on about what moves do and don't work against a higher level of defender. Towards the end he ran into a guy and I thought he'd fall on his ass but he managed to knock the other guy down instead and then gave him a little crosscheck. As I mentioned above he has a bit of fire in him which I admit to loving (same with Kailer lol). But he showed some core strength by not getting knocked around as much as I thought (he's not that big now but has the genes to be later).

And as a side note for you JAD's skating looked really really nice. I think he must have trained on it this summer because it's a big step up. He and Kailer were on a line together with Zwerger but he might as well have not been there because those two were really clicking.

 

[orangeandblack]

IIRC Galchenyuk had a US and a Belarus passport. I don't think he ever had a Russian passport anyway, making him ineligible for Russia in IIHF. His options were US or Belarus, not Russia.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

So is he a phenom as he's made to be, yes or no? Or is it just insanely over hype just because Bowman has seen him.

How come scoutman doesn't have him top players for 2019, he's always right for the top elite players dating back to ever.

 

[Firecracker]

So is he a phenom as he's made to be, yes or no? Or is it just insanely over hype just because Bowman has seen him.

How come scoutman doesn't have him top players for 2019, he's always right for the top elite players dating back to ever.

Short answer is no. He is a very good player though and one of the best 01s in America.

Well you can always count on me for that lol. He did alright in day 1. Definitely overshadowed by playing on a team with Kailer and JAD. 3 of his fellow 2016 draft picks were on a line together and kind of stole the show with a surprising amount of chemistry. Luke wasn't bad but didn't seem to click with his linemates so I hope they'll be shuffled around today. Seemed to be learning as the day went on about what moves do and don't work against a higher level of defender. Towards the end he ran into a guy and I thought he'd fall on his ass but he managed to knock the other guy down instead and then gave him a little crosscheck. As I mentioned above he has a bit of fire in him which I admit to loving (same with Kailer lol). But he showed some core strength by not getting knocked around as much as I thought (he's not that big now but has the genes to be later).

And as a side note for you JAD's skating looked really really nice. I think he must have trained on it this summer because it's a big step up. He and Kailer were on a line together with Zwerger but he might as well have not been there because those two were really clicking.

Any updates on Day 2?

 

[tigervixxxen]

I'm not going to question the quotes but this article was written by the ex-Avs beat writer who knows absolutely zero about prospects and development. He freelances for Bleacher Report now, which he does ok with but the reason he really wrote this was likely more about his father than to shed light on the next hockey phenom. But hey if people are saying those things about this kid then I totally get the interest, it's just odd to me considering the source.

 

[dechire]

Short answer is no. He is a very good player though and one of the best 01s in America.


Any updates on Day 2?

Still at the rink right now but he had a really nice breakaway goal earlier and tucked home a nice setup by Kailer by driving the net. None of the aggressive habits from yesterday. Had a nice steal as I typed this. Still looks like he's adjusting to the higher level of competition but is doing fine so far. I can see improvement from yesterday already and he's becoming more successful with his skill plays.

Edit- Scored again. He has 3 or 4 goals today and I think he only had an assist or two yesterday. Definitely can see his confidence improving.