LW Arthur Kaliyev (2019, 33rd, LAK)

[TopC0rner]

As i've said elsewhere, scoring 51 g as a 17yo in the OHL without even trying is pretty impressive. Many players appear to be one thing or another...sometimes you just have to look at the results.

I think the "without even trying" is misleading. Kaliyev looks that way because he is not a hard forechecker. Unless he clearly has at least a 50% chance of getting the puck, he will not go hard at it and will prefer to position himself to cut passing lanes. When there is a play to be made, he does "try".

Imo his main weakness is that he doesn't pressure the play enough. You can see this because often he won't be moving his feet and will be gliding. Also, while he won't shy away from going into the more "dangerous" zones, he almost never hits anyone. He tends to use his stick instead (to push off opponents, lift sticks, etc). Lastly, he is lackluster in his zone but he does backcheck (in contrast to what I've seen in some draft guides).

So I think he can be a productive NHL player but won't be a fan favorite due to his low motor without the puck.

 

[57special]

I think the "without even trying" is misleading. Kaliyev looks that way because he is not a hard forechecker. Unless he clearly has at least a 50% chance of getting the puck, he will not go hard at it and will prefer to position himself to cut passing lanes. When there is a play to be made, he does "try".

Imo his main weakness is that he doesn't pressure the play enough. You can see this because often he won't be moving his feet and will be gliding. Also, while he won't shy away from going into the more "dangerous" zones, he almost never hits anyone. He tends to use his stick instead (to push off opponents, lift sticks, etc). Lastly, he is lackluster in his zone but he does backcheck (in contrast to what I've seen in some draft guides).

So I think he can be a productive NHL player but won't be a fan favorite due to his low motor without the puck.

Of course...it was tongue in cheek. It just gets tiresome when his effort is questioned, despite him putting up terrific numbers. Some players, especially bigger ones "look" lazy. Others, especially smaller ones, "look" busy and frantic due to their smaller strides. Frank Mahovlich and his big stride was accused of being lazy and lacking intensity for most of his career.

Most big scorers are not overly physical(although they do use size and strength to get to, and stay in, scoring areas), and not big defensive whizzes. Nature of the beast.

 

[boredmale]

Born in Uzbekistan, Kaliyev moved to Staten Island, NY, when he was two years old. He grew up in the borough and lived there until he was 13, when the family moved to Michigan to further Arthur’s hockey career.

 

[boredmale]

On a side note it's sort of funny he is from Long Island, reminds me of former NY Islander Mike Bossy who had amazing numbers in junior but the complaint about him was he wasn't the best skater or didn't play defense.

 

[Peasy]

Of course...it was tongue in cheek. It just gets tiresome when his effort is questioned, despite him putting up terrific numbers. Some players, especially bigger ones "look" lazy. Others, especially smaller ones, "look" busy and frantic due to their smaller strides. Frank Mahovlich and his big stride was accused of being lazy and lacking intensity for most of his career.

Most big scorers are not overly physical(although they do use size and strength to get to, and stay in, scoring areas), and not big defensive whizzes. Nature of the beast.

Its not looking lazy, its more so not playing at a high pace consistently away from the puck.

Laine is very similar. If he has the puck hes trying, if he doesnt he does not really add anything on the ice.

(Not a Kaliyev hater, this is just what people see when he plays)

 

[Saxon]

Its not looking lazy, its more so not playing at a high pace consistently away from the puck.

Laine is very similar. If he has the puck hes trying, if he doesnt he does not really add anything on the ice.

(Not a Kaliyev hater, this is just what people see when he plays)

I think that's pretty fair, I think he projects to be an elite complementary winger. He's not going to drive the play but he's going to get open and all he needs is a few seconds with the puck and he will create offense.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think he could go higher than most expect him to.

 

[rt]

they have been down on Kaliyev all year long- they have been the outlier not the norm...I have some issues with HP and their black book which was filled with a lot of glaring errors throughout the book..but everyone sees things differently - skating is not his problem, I will just say that.

No. Don’t just say that. Say more. What is his problem in your opinion?

 

[Islesfan22]

Redline has Kaliyev in there top 5 prospects.

 

[BHFAN92]

he will go #3 overall- wait for it

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

Redline has Kaliyev in there top 5 prospects.

source?

 

[McDNicks17]

source?

They have him at 6(so pretty close), unless there's something newer than this.

 

[Islesfan22]

source?

Redline report Twitter he is number 6 my mistake thought he was 5

 

[AmericanDream]

No. Don’t just say that. Say more. What is his problem in your opinion?

you would have to ask them, they are the only ones I have heard say anything else when it comes to this kid of any off ice nature. skating and compete level are your typical blurbs on him, but HockeyProspect has dug deeper and questioned stuff off ice which I have asked around and have not heard anything close to that from anyone associated with Hamilton or the OHL this year...so not sure..

he tested strong in his on ice skating metrics yet again - IMO his skating has been an overblown narrative - these seem to happen when it comes to goal scorers (Laine, Wall-E, Bellows, Jason Robertson, DeBrincat, etc, etc) all seemed to get hit harder/under the microscope more for their flaws and less of what they do very well. Laine a bit less because it was harder to view his season, but the others got the same treatment that Kaliyev does.

For me it is pretty simple - when you are 17 years old and you are in this group : Stamkos, Tavares, Skinner and DeBrincat as the only 50 plus goal scoring 17 year olds out of the OHL the past decade plus, odds are you are doing more than something right and your success rate is going to be pretty damn high at the next level.

 

[Jacksonbobson]

hope the Ducks draft him, dudes going to make a lot of people regret overlooking him.

 

[scotchtapejr]

On a side note it's sort of funny he is from Long Island, reminds me of former NY Islander Mike Bossy who had amazing numbers in junior but the complaint about him was he wasn't the best skater or didn't play defense.

Doubt Mike Bossy could play in todays NHL to the same degree of success.

Different generations.

Hal Gill has played how many games and has been traded for how many times by a contender at the deadline?

Most teams wont even considering drafting a Hal Gill in this day and age.

 

[UNITEDSTATESOFHOCKEY]

you would have to ask them, they are the only ones I have heard say anything else when it comes to this kid of any off ice nature. skating and compete level are your typical blurbs on him, but HockeyProspect has dug deeper and questioned stuff off ice which I have asked around and have not heard anything close to that from anyone associated with Hamilton or the OHL this year...so not sure..

he tested strong in his on ice skating metrics yet again - IMO his skating has been an overblown narrative - these seem to happen when it comes to goal scorers (Laine, Wall-E, Bellows, Jason Robertson, DeBrincat, etc, etc) all seemed to get hit harder/under the microscope more for their flaws and less of what they do very well. Laine a bit less because it was harder to view his season, but the others got the same treatment that Kaliyev does.

For me it is pretty simple - when you are 17 years old and you are in this group : Stamkos, Tavares, Skinner and DeBrincat as the only 50 plus goal scoring 17 year olds out of the OHL the past decade plus, odds are you are doing more than something right and your success rate is going to be pretty damn high at the next level.

don't forget Nail Yakupov scored 49 at 16 and had he not gotten hurt in his draft year would have scored 50 easy.....

 

[DANOZ28]

any player at any draft pick# can bust. i think edm rushed him and shattered his confidence but that's just my msg board poster opinion.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

hope the Ducks draft him, dudes going to make a lot of people regret overlooking him.

Ya I have Kaliyev @ 10th best player in the draft.

 

[93LEAFS]

don't forget Nail Yakupov scored 49 at 16 and had he not gotten hurt in his draft year would have scored 50 easy.....

He was 17 in his D+1. But, lets keep in mind Pavel Brendl scored 73 goals in a WHL season and Kaliyev has a bunch of similarities with him. Outside of Skinner, all the kids mentioned were known to be hardworking kids and you didn't question their effort on a shift to shift level.

 

[93LEAFS]

they have been down on Kaliyev all year long- they have been the outlier not the norm...I have some issues with HP and their black book which was filled with a lot of glaring errors throughout the book..but everyone sees things differently - skating is not his problem, I will just say that.

What are these glaring errors. You used to praise the black book, but I guess since they didn't rank a guy you likely highly you've turned. And, by errors, how about actual factual errors, and not things where you differ on opinion of how a kid grades out. He's not particularly agile, and he plays very slow. Would you be this up in arms if he was actually from Russia? Seems they've just hit a nerve on an American kid you like.

 

[AmericanDream]

What are these glaring errors. You used to praise the black book, but I guess since they didn't rank a guy you likely highly you've turned. And, by errors, how about actual factual errors, and not things where you differ on opinion of how a kid grades out. He's not particularly agile, and he plays very slow. Would you be this up in arms if he was actually from Russia? Seems they've just hit a nerve on an American kid you like.

I promote the black book to everyone I know..wtf are you talking about?

They have errors, plenty of them throughout the book - glaring spelling errors, font errors, etc..couldn't give two shits where they have Kaliyev ranked it is still the best book around. take your nonsense elsewhere..

 

[93LEAFS]

I promote the black book to everyone I know..wtf are you talking about?

They have errors, plenty of them throughout the book - glaring spelling errors, font errors, etc..couldn't give two ****s where they have Kaliyev ranked it is still the best book around. take your nonsense elsewhere..

You appeared to be using these errors to discredit there analysis of Kaliyev. Spelling errors or font errors aren't really important for that. If they made factual errors about where guys played and such, it may have barring on that stuff. Kaliyev plays slow as hell in the OHL, whether he tests well or not and lacks compete. Traits we've seen with other high-profile junior busts.

 

[VainGretzky]

Name these 2 players that had these souting reports

 

[AmericanDream]

You appeared to be using these errors to discredit there analysis of Kaliyev. Spelling errors or font errors aren't really important for that. If they made factual errors about where guys played and such, it may have barring on that stuff. Kaliyev plays slow as hell in the OHL, whether he tests well or not and lacks compete. Traits we've seen with other high-profile junior busts.

hell no, instead of coming at me insinuating something else, the normal approach would have been to say "can you possibly clarify what you mean"..you know, a respectable manner..I don't care where they have Kaliyev ranked, I have pointed out that HP has said prior about off-ice things with him that I have not heard elsewhere, so they would need to clarify that. and when it comes to the overall book, some of us who did get see a number of errors and issues that I personally would not expect from them, nothing more and nothing less.