Luongo, Subban, Hamhuis, Smith. The "hardly used" discussion.
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Wisp
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The one interesting thing about Luongo, there is a big narrative that he was 'carried' by Team Canada defense in 2010.
I dunno, if there is one thing this 2014 defense taught us is that 2010's defense was really overrated. edit: not overrated, but nobody was quite in their prime yet. Pronger and Niedermayer on their way out, Doughty, Keith, and Weber were not quite there yet.
I dunno, if there is one thing this 2014 defense taught us is that 2010's defense was really overrated. edit: not overrated, but nobody was quite in their prime yet. Pronger and Niedermayer on their way out, Doughty, Keith, and Weber were not quite there yet.
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Agree with most sentiments here. I think they're all happy to have been a part of this team and though some would have obviously loved to play more, seemed content with the gold medal win either way!
Luongo i don't think had a problem with his role mostly because with the 2010 gold already in his pocket, he'd had a shining moment. Sure, secretly he may have wished for a bigger role, be it some stuggles by Price, or whatever else, but i get the feeling he was ok with his spot.
Subban, from everything that's been reported, handled this in a manner many thought he was incapable of and that was with the utmost professionalism. I'm sure he was aware of the possibility that he'd be the extra dman and looking towards the future, prob knew that he couldn't be anything but a good team mate if he wanted to be a part of future Team Canada's!
Luongo i don't think had a problem with his role mostly because with the 2010 gold already in his pocket, he'd had a shining moment. Sure, secretly he may have wished for a bigger role, be it some stuggles by Price, or whatever else, but i get the feeling he was ok with his spot.
Subban, from everything that's been reported, handled this in a manner many thought he was incapable of and that was with the utmost professionalism. I'm sure he was aware of the possibility that he'd be the extra dman and looking towards the future, prob knew that he couldn't be anything but a good team mate if he wanted to be a part of future Team Canada's!
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that's just the kind of teammate he is
hopefully some people will wake up to this fact and stop saying he's a locker room cancer
I don't know if he was carried, but Luongo had unbelievably bad rebound control, you could tell he was super nervous, which is no suprise, he hadnt played a ton of big time playoff games other than a few opening round playoff series or the world cup
It is what it is, there's a ton of guys who were capable (especially talking about Smith, there's tons of guys you could reasonably have had as the 3rd stringer). Luongo didn't play much but you generally just ride one guy and I don't believe Luongo is at the same level as Price anymore, and they weren't going to switch goalies deep into the tournament. Perhaps Smith and Luongo could have split one of the early games but that's a bit bush league for a tournament of this scale.
I can understand Subban being scratched but I don't necessarily agree. They were sold on the L/R and PMD/DFD split, in my opinion Subban is no lower than 5th on the depth chart but he was played as a number 8. I guess more than anything I think Subban may have been a better choice at #7 than Hamhuis playing for 5 minutes, you've got to think that maybe Subban could have made some noise on the PP and it's not as if Hamhuis was doing heavy lifting.
It is what it is though and overall it's pretty tough to be disappointed. I'm not really a huge Bouwmeester fan and I think Subban could probably have replaced him (or even Hamhuis and Subban as the #7) but the results were excellent and I don't think Subban was too bothered. Only disappointing thing was I was hoping Subban would get a chance at the olympics because the criticism seems to all stem from people who haven't seen him play since the world juniors he was in 5 years ago. His game is remarkably similar to Doughty's yet Doughty is a hero and Subban a liability.
I can understand Subban being scratched but I don't necessarily agree. They were sold on the L/R and PMD/DFD split, in my opinion Subban is no lower than 5th on the depth chart but he was played as a number 8. I guess more than anything I think Subban may have been a better choice at #7 than Hamhuis playing for 5 minutes, you've got to think that maybe Subban could have made some noise on the PP and it's not as if Hamhuis was doing heavy lifting.
It is what it is though and overall it's pretty tough to be disappointed. I'm not really a huge Bouwmeester fan and I think Subban could probably have replaced him (or even Hamhuis and Subban as the #7) but the results were excellent and I don't think Subban was too bothered. Only disappointing thing was I was hoping Subban would get a chance at the olympics because the criticism seems to all stem from people who haven't seen him play since the world juniors he was in 5 years ago. His game is remarkably similar to Doughty's yet Doughty is a hero and Subban a liability.
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Was an equipment issue, with the rebounds. His NHL glove in 2010 was banned internationally and he had to switch (unbanned now). They were talking about it on the radio here in Vancouver last week, which is why 'his glove hand had an eject button.'
Anyways, Lu is a pro. Wish he could have been the starter but whatever, he got to play and got a shutout at least.
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http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?cl...&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[194984500710923]&action_type_map=[%22og.recommends%22]&action_ref_map=[]
Watch this interview. PK is all class, pure professional.
Watch this interview. PK is all class, pure professional.
Generally it sounds like they handled it with class. What can they really say, 'if only they would have played me more we would have won 2 gold medals'.
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If Hamhuis-Subban clicks, its a better pairing.
But aside from that, I don't think none of these guys make us really worse. Maybe Smith and Luongo.
But aside from that, I don't think none of these guys make us really worse. Maybe Smith and Luongo.
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Habs Price on Luongo: "He was awesome. Both he and Mike Smith were great. They’re both really funny guys."
On Subban: "He definitely carried himself very well, he handled himself w/ the utmost professionalism; a big part of the team"
Habs Price on Luongo: "He was awesome. Both he and Mike Smith were great. They’re both really funny guys."
On Subban: "He definitely carried himself very well, he handled himself w/ the utmost professionalism; a big part of the team"
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Luongo got a shutout, he played in 17% of the games. He "gets" it. The same thing happened in 2010. Should we feel sorry for Brodeur back in 2010 or are we glad Luongo stepped up? This is just what happens, you check your ego at the door. You are there if you are called upon. The defense was clicking on all cylinders that I can now understand why you wouldn't want to rock the boat. I don't think Subban costs us, but the beauty of a gold medal is that you don't need to second guess yourself.
Smith was a third string goalie. I am sure being there was a big deal for him. He'll never get this chance again. Fleury didn't play a minute of hockey in 2010 either. Belfour not a minute in 2002. Ask those guys if they'd take their gold medals back. You were picked as one of the top three goalies in Canada. How many people can say that?
Plus they were all at the Olympic games. And none of them looked unhappy getting a medal. Everyone deserved gold.
Smith was a third string goalie. I am sure being there was a big deal for him. He'll never get this chance again. Fleury didn't play a minute of hockey in 2010 either. Belfour not a minute in 2002. Ask those guys if they'd take their gold medals back. You were picked as one of the top three goalies in Canada. How many people can say that?
Plus they were all at the Olympic games. And none of them looked unhappy getting a medal. Everyone deserved gold.
Lonny Bohonos
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But you know people are going to say "well he lost his job again because he wasn't good enough," just like people kept saying that about him vs. Schneider in Vancouver (even though it was just an age thing).
In other words, I don't think he's going to get any credit at all for what he did do (the shutout). I think this is going to be used against him.
And ditto for Subban, even though I thought he played fine on a team that could used have used more offense, something he is especially good at....
It wasn't an issue of Luongo not being good enough but more that Luongo will not be around the next time around. Price and Lu are so close that they made the decision to go with the guy that will likely be there next time around. Thats the right decision in the long term.
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Honestly he brought some of that on himself with some of his comments on Thomas during the series (which he's since admitted he regrets).
But as someone who was indifferent or slightly annoyed by him during that series, he's shown himself to be nothing but class and a professional in spite of the way he's been treated by management in Vancouver.
Plus a lot of his tweets are pretty funny for a hockey player.
I agree with this. Maybe they didn't crack the lineup as much but they probably played a big role behind the scenes. I mean Lu & Subban looked happy when they received their medals.
Well I think Thomas was a bit of a jerk myself not during the series afterwards didn't he not visit the White House or something?! It is hard for me to like any of the Bruins, I have never disliked a team so much in my life. Luckily watching Bergeron in the Olympics I can now say like at least one other Bruin other than Cam Neely!
I think Lu got carried away during that series and said a lot of things he regretted. He seems like an emotional guy. But I am so happy that people outside of Vancouver see what a classy, friendly & funny guy he is!!
Yeah as a Canuck fan it really bothered me how much of a bad guy he was perceived to be. After the whole trade rumour thing & how he dealt with the whole Schneider thing, I was glad to see people realizing what a good guy he really is!!
And also with his twitter Strombone, I love how funny he is.
He got a lot of flak from Boston fans booing him even when Schneider was playing in the game & he sat on the bench. And in Vancouver the fans got him as well. He can be really controversial. But I love Lu's great sense of humour!! He's a good guy!!
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If Subban was upset, he has a weird way of showing it. Luongo too.
I think we have to give them all the benefit of the doubt and think they were thrilled to be a part of the team in any capacity, because that is how they acted. Mike Smith was smiling. MSL was crying tears of joy. Matt Duchene looks like a little kid on Christmas morning.
There is probably your reason why these guys were chosen and maybe also why a guy like Giroux wasn't. Maybe that was not a role he would accept. Just speculating, but he kind of seems like that kind of guy.
I think we have to give them all the benefit of the doubt and think they were thrilled to be a part of the team in any capacity, because that is how they acted. Mike Smith was smiling. MSL was crying tears of joy. Matt Duchene looks like a little kid on Christmas morning.
There is probably your reason why these guys were chosen and maybe also why a guy like Giroux wasn't. Maybe that was not a role he would accept. Just speculating, but he kind of seems like that kind of guy.
I didnt understand why Subban didnt see more game action, but i really cant argue with the team result. He is such a dynamic defense man but really we need more offensive flair from our forwards, not the defense.
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Struggling for offense?
Canada spent every game creating offense, what they were missing were finishing plays, something a defensemen might help create, but won't really help finish.
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because three goals against in six games
three guys on the right were better than him and he wasn't needed on the pp either
besides, both miller and luongo took a backseat this winter olympics. I have a feeling if they go to Korea, it'll be the same two starting for can/usa.
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Theodore made a comment one time (because he took hair medication that made him impossible to use as a third goaltender at the olympics) that he prefer hair than being the 3rd goaltender not playing anyway at the olmypics.
We can say that canada third goaltender does not deserved gold like Weber or the man that won the 50km at skiing.
Those kind of thing are almost impossible to say for sure, if a player did not care much about winning gold while not playing, he will never say so, same thing about all the comments of the player that did play about those that did not play. They will never never say anything less that they deserve those medal as much as them, whatever they thing about it really.
One thing is almost sure those medal are not worth to them as much as individual "amateur" for whom the gold medal is almost everything career wise and hard to believe that the gold medal is as good-pride-good memory for Smith than for Price or that he deserve it as much.
Than againt, hard to know or to say, whitout living it personnaly, and what player-coach say about it as probably no value at all (if they would thing otherwise, nobody would never know because they would never say it),
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Matt Duchene mentioned that playing in the Gold Medal game was the most fun he's ever had playing hockey.
Carey Price basically summed it up here: "Canadian hockey players always find a way to get along."
Carey Price basically summed it up here: "Canadian hockey players always find a way to get along."
