Post-Game Talk: Lumbering Jets lose 2-1 in OT

[Jets 31]

The main reason we are at 0.500 is that Hellebuyck has been outstanding, in spite of suboptimal coaching.

As a former not NHL goaltender i don't get why people say the only reason we are any good is because of goaltending . Goaltending is a position on a hockey team just like a forward or defensemen , just waaaaaaaaay more important , Helly gets paid very good money to stop the puck just like Laine gets good money to put the puck in the net .

 

[Hunter368]

If 3 regulation time wins in 16 games is overachieving, then we’re worse than I feared.

If you were expecting better then our record is now, after all the changes, buff and injuries........then me thinks you had very inflated expectations of this team to start with.

 

[Larabee]

If you were expecting better then our record is now, after all the changes, buff and injuries........then me thinks you had very inflated expectations of this team to start with.

My expectations were pretty low, and the Jets have met them.

 

[Howard Chuck]

My expectations were that the players who are still here, who were so darn good 2 years ago, would be two years better.

I have to temper my expectations of some of the team but not our top six, goaltending and top pairing. I expect a lot from them.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I honestly think PoMo plays the **** out of 55 and 26 because he thinks the other guys aren’t getting it done, instead of the other way around.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

A bigger question then Coaching,Line combos and defense is

Why can't we seem to win at home right now?

We have a very good road record. If our home record was in line with teams above us we would probably be 2 points behind the Blues for first

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Interesting-could you point out actual metrics or specific arguments which defend that Maurice has maximised this roster?

Are you new to this thread?

 

[Mbraunm]

No, I’m not new to this thread. However, in this thread I made a request that anyone who favours Maurice could bring up actual specific arguments to defend the idea as to how Maurice has maximised the talent of this roster over the last 12 months.

There are numerous obvious metrics and arguments that bring to light Maurice’s inabilities. However, those who disagree are invited to do the same.

 

[LowLefty]

We had that same youth in our best year. Now they are three years more experienced. Why are we cutting the team slack because of youth? They should be getting better not worse.

why are 55and 26 worse? Anyone that was on the team in that successful year is either not as good now or improved but not replacing the faltering players.

coaches should be able to make in game changes not in season changes.

I don't get this narrative -

Team is not as good as it was - especially the D -
It's like everything that is going on with this teams roster is completely ignored.

When you have a D as a collective, that is unable to support zone exits, the forwards need to chip in - when they do, they spend too much of their shift, burning energy, first to gain possession and then to move the puck.
Meanwhile, the D are lobbing it up the middle or around the boards into traffic.

How can you get much of anything going if you are going through this cycle most shifts? Do you think this tire fire is a "system" that mo implemented? It's not.
This is what is happening out there - I know you watch the games - I don't understand why you are not seeing this.

The other option, the much easier one BTW, is to blame the coach for player / line management - or, better yet, maybe he's teaching them to regress which would support your point on players not getting better after 3 yrs.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

We had that same youth in our best year. Now they are three years more experienced. Why are we cutting the team slack because of youth? They should be getting better not worse.

why are 55and 26 worse? Anyone that was on the team in that successful year is either not as good now or improved but not replacing the faltering players.

coaches should be able to make in game changes not in season changes.

Cutting this team slack by accounting for the absurd injuries and the entire uhaul of our defence? Seriously?

Do you think we are under the same set of circumstances that season as we are currently experiencing this season?

Do we need to explain the impact a dcore has over the entire success of a team?

When you have a point man with over 800 games played, one of the best in the league, a PP quarterback, a leader on and off the ice yanked from your lineup unexpectedly it will have a major impact.

Do we also have to explain the impact of having 4 of your 6 dman not returning to your lineup will have?

A completely new forth line?

47 lost man games thru 16 games played, that includes 2 freak accidents, a car accident, an irregular heartbeat

Why the hell arent you cutting this team some slack, unless you are being completely oblivious to the obvious.

And with all that here we sit at a reasonable record thru 16 games.

So, please tell me how the 2017/18 parallels to that?

 

[bennylundholm]

Cutting this team slack by accounting for the absurd injuries and the entire uhaul of our defence? Seriously?

Do you think we are under the same set of circumstances that season as we are currently experiencing this season?

Do we need to explain the impact a dcore has over the entire success of a team?

When you have a point man with over 800 games played, one of the best in the league, a PP quarterback, a leader on and off the ice yanked from your lineup unexpectedly it will have a major impact.

Do we also have to explain the impact of having 4 of your 6 dman not returning to your lineup will have?

A completely new forth line?

47 lost man games thru 16 games played, that includes 2 freak accidents, a car accident, an irregular heartbeat

Why the hell arent you cutting this team some slack, unless you are being completely oblivious to the obvious.

And with all that here we sit at a reasonable record thru 16 games.

So, please tell me how the 2017/18 parallels to that?

There are certainly many challenges facing Pomo and the Jets this season.
The obvious ones are no Buff, loss of experienced defensemen and some injuries.
While these are certainly factors towards a weakened team from last year, it is the responsibility of the coaching staff to maximize the strengths of the roster to get the most out of each player.
In my opinion and many others I read here, Pomo is failing at that.
I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt as he has decades of experience and I keep saying there must be a long term method for his madness.
The decisions I see him making make no sense to me. From playing the bejeesus out of Wheels and Scheif, to limiting Nik, to a static PK and PP, to limiting the Lowry line who control most shifts.
The only way we are going to make some noise this season is to outcoach or at least not be outcoached game to game. This I do not see.
With Trotz behind the bench, we'd be sitting pretty by season's end.
I think a new voice is needed.
I'd love to see a guy like Andy Murray behind the bench.

 

[KingBogo]

Cutting this team slack by accounting for the absurd injuries and the entire uhaul of our defence? Seriously?

Do you think we are under the same set of circumstances that season as we are currently experiencing this season?

Do we need to explain the impact a dcore has over the entire success of a team?

When you have a point man with over 800 games played, one of the best in the league, a PP quarterback, a leader on and off the ice yanked from your lineup unexpectedly it will have a major impact.

Do we also have to explain the impact of having 4 of your 6 dman not returning to your lineup will have?

A completely new forth line?

47 lost man games thru 16 games played, that includes 2 freak accidents, a car accident, an irregular heartbeat

Why the hell arent you cutting this team some slack, unless you are being completely oblivious to the obvious.

And with all that here we sit at a reasonable record thru 16 games.

So, please tell me how the 2017/18 parallels to that?

S****** all over this team does seem to be the popular thing to do but they are hanging around and most likely they will be all season long. Despite an almost unprecedented set of circumstances they remain on the edge of where the playoff line will land. Maybe being the underdog and the world is against us is what this team builds off of. More and more I'm fine with the current circumstances. Each season brings its own reality and I enjoy the ride no matter where it takes us. I just have a feeling this ends up way better than people fear.

 

[Howard Chuck]

So not at anyone in particular but I think I’m being civil.

I understand that we aren’t going to be world beaters and we have a depleted roster. I get all that.

all I’ve been saying all along is that there are obvious things that can be done to make us better than we are currently.

I don’t think anyone is shitting on the team. We would just like to see the things that CAN be done, to be done.

It’s not just me or other posters. It’s hockey analysts and others that are outside looking in. There things that would maybe help this depleted team.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

So not at anyone in particular but I think I’m being civil.

I understand that we aren’t going to be world beaters and we have a depleted roster. I get all that.

all I’ve been saying all along is that there are obvious things that can be done to make us better than we are currently.

I don’t think anyone is ****ting on the team. We would just like to see the things that CAN be done, to be done.

It’s not just me or other posters. It’s hockey analysts and others that are outside looking in. There things that would maybe help this depleted team.

I think most already agree with this, but the severity on the impact of remaining status quo differes greatly.

It will not bring back Buff or Little, wont instill experince in our youth, and it certainly does provide chemistry for a team with several new faces.

 

[Jets 31]

If we fired Maurice and got the BEST coach in all of hockey , whoever that might be , and we still didn't win games, who would be at fault then ? I guess Chevy would be next . This season has barely begun , i'm willing to give Maurice this season to see what we do . Last i checked we are coming off back-to-back playoffs .

 

[bennylundholm]

If we fired Maurice and got the BEST coach in all of hockey , whoever that might be , and we still didn't win games, who would be at fault then ? I guess Chevy would be next . This season has barely begun , i'm willing to give Maurice this season to see what we do . Last i checked we are coming off back-to-back playoffs .

I'm guessing if we got a good coach we would win games.

 

[KingBogo]

I'm guessing if we got a good coach we would win games.

We are already winning games. Slightly more than 50% to date this season. Considerably more than this the last 2 seasons. The question is if we would win more games now with a new coach.

 

[Neuf]

We are already winning games. Slightly more than 50% to date this season. Considerably more than this the last 2 seasons. The question is if we would win more games now with a new coach.

Jets Win/Loss is exactly 0.500, but points % is higher.

 

[KingBogo]

Jets Win/Loss is exactly 0.500, but points % is higher.

We play in a league with its own version of 500. I see no reason to fight against it since all teams are judged on the same scale.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think most already agree with this, but the severity on the impact of remaining status quo differes greatly.

It will not bring back Buff or Little, wont instill experince in our youth, and it certainly does provide chemistry for a team with several new faces.

Only way to instil experience is to play the youth. This is not the year we win the cup.

 

[Tommigun]

He was hit in the side of the head, near the ear. How would a face mask help that?

Of course I know it would not have helped in this particular case where the puck hit an opening in the side of the helmet. So imagine what damage the puck had done if it had hit him square in the face? The players are literally staring death in the face.

 

[Halberdier]

When you have a D as a collective, that is unable to support zone exits, the forwards need to chip in - when they do, they spend too much of their shift, burning energy, first to gain possession and then to move the puck.
Meanwhile, the D are lobbing it up the middle or around the boards into traffic.

Apparently according to Maurice, we don't need Heinola.

If anything this D corp was able to do early season better than last season was that they were able to support zone exits and able to support offence in general. Replace Heinola with Dahlström/Sbisa/Bitetto, and you just lost that ability.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Cutting this team slack by accounting for the absurd injuries and the entire uhaul of our defence? Seriously?

Do you think we are under the same set of circumstances that season as we are currently experiencing this season?

Do we need to explain the impact a dcore has over the entire success of a team?

When you have a point man with over 800 games played, one of the best in the league, a PP quarterback, a leader on and off the ice yanked from your lineup unexpectedly it will have a major impact.

Do we also have to explain the impact of having 4 of your 6 dman not returning to your lineup will have?

A completely new forth line?

47 lost man games thru 16 games played, that includes 2 freak accidents, a car accident, an irregular heartbeat

Why the hell arent you cutting this team some slack, unless you are being completely oblivious to the obvious.

And with all that here we sit at a reasonable record thru 16 games.

So, please tell me how the 2017/18 parallels to that?

CSW play most of the time with either Morrissey or Pionk (this season), and they have been consistently bad since last Christmas. You are trying really hard to defend Maurice for his lineup decisions. It has been bad for long, and it’s gotten only worse.

You can cut Maurice slack until the rest of the talent leaves the team if you want, but please stop with the excuses. As an example, our young players from 3 seasons ago are becoming vets, so that excuse doesn’t fly. Our top 6 is quite experienced already.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

CSW play most of the time with either Morrissey or Pionk (this season), and they have been consistently bad since last Christmas. You are trying really hard to defend Maurice for his lineup decisions. It has been bad for long, and it’s gotten only worse.

You can cut Maurice slack until the rest of the talent leaves the team if you want, but please stop with the excuses. As an example, our young players from 3 seasons ago are becoming vets, so that excuse doesn’t fly. Our top 6 is quite experienced already.

What are you talking about?

Try reading my posts before giving your 2 cents. Been pretty clear I disagree keeping Scheifele and Wheeler together,.

And spare me with your ignorance. You can burry your head in the sand if that helps defend your angle, but facts are facts. No team in this league would be able to endure the crap this team has thru 16 games, and not skip a beat, and anyone saying different is just purely out to lunch.

I think some either have never played this game, and haven't the slightest clue how easier life is as a forward with a secure top end defence, and has severe the impact is when you have an inexperienced defence.

Fyi, it has a major impact...

 

[DannyGallivan]

His leash is earned by a 114 point season and conference finals. Babcock deserves less of a leash than PM.

He was goalied in that series and anyone that watched that series without an agenda agrees.

The fact you so casually undervalue how far we got tells me you don't understand the difficulty in achieving what we did. Teams go a lifetime without getting to where we got too. A 114 point season is not a norm that you should come to expect regularly in a hard cap league.

Our PP was one of the best in the league, and when Buff went down it changed. The QB of the PP is the most pivotal and important spot, we lost ours and we are working on finding a replacement.

Buffs don't grow on trees fyi

If anybody has an agenda, it's you. You think that any kind of criticism against the mighty Jets is slander and libel, and your judgmental statement that I bolded proves it.

I could also point the finger at Laine and Ehlers who did nothing in that series, but that kinda falls on the coach to ADJUST what isn't working and come up with a viable alternatives (including how he uses his assets). That's the thing with the Jets coaching staff. When other coaches adjust and come up with solutions to what works for the Jets, our coaches stubbornly stay put even when they're effectively countered. That includes what happened in Vegas.

And as far as the great season we had goes, it was all part of a plan engineered by Chevy (who I am a big fan of, by the way). Guess what, one team wins the Stanley Cup every season, so why can't it be us? Why can't it be the Jets who spent several seasons building and building so that they could contend for the Cup? Well, they did. And their big chance was two seasons ago.

And you let the coaching staff off the hook with the power play. Yeah, Byfuglien was important, but the fact that they've done precious little to change their tactics (Wheeler still goes for that crease-front pass, Laine still broadcasts to the arena that he's about to do a one-timer). Sure, he may have put Scheifele in Laine's spot now and then, but the power play has been predictable for a long time. And don't get me started about the passive penalty kill.