Value of: Luke Schenn

[Buresflyingelbow]

I think he goes in a package with a player like Pearson to a contender.

 

[Jannik Hansen]

I think he goes in a package with a player like Pearson to a contender.

I'd rather not lower Luke's value by attaching him to a multi year contract player like Pearson. Just let the team that wants Schenn get what they want. There's only a few teams that would be willing to add Pearson's cap hit for next year but everyone would be willing to trade for an 850K rental of Schenn.

 

[AHLdepth]

What about a D prospect like Jared McIsaac, Shai Buium or Eemil Viro + a 3rd?

Albert Johansson?

 

[Cancuks]

Ideally we trade him and then re-sign him if he's up for it. He plays well with Hughes but it'd be better if he was on the 3rd pairing with Rathbone. Hughes desperately needs a young big physical stay at home type defenseman who can log 25 minutes a night.

 

[Pebble live]

If these are the offers, we're keeping him.

Schenn is a league leader in hits, plays a top four role and is a leader for us, and frankly we have no one in a position to take over for him, short or long term.

If he's that big of a piece to the puzzle why is he paid like an AHL dman?

 

[Cogburn]

If he's that big of a piece to the puzzle why is he paid like an AHL dman?

I mean...does this need explaining as to what's wrong with this logic?

OEL and Myers are top four defenseman according to that logic, so we should be a competitive team, right?

 

[ralphamale14]

6 weeks ago he was a borderline NHLer? According to who?

He makes 850k on a one year contract.

That's bubble boy territory but spin it as you like.

I adore the internet rejection of reality.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

I’d deal him for highest offer if there’s an agreement between all parties that it’s a pure rental and we will re-sign him in the off-season

Always surprised this doesn’t happen more often.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

If he's that big of a piece to the puzzle why is he paid like an AHL dman?

If you followed his career at all, he had some down years, lost a step and a bit of speed. He was signed as 7th/8th depth guy.

After, it appears he’s recalibrated his game, while he’s still not as mobile as most defensemen, he’s become effective. Especially pairing with the extremely mobile Hughes.

TDLR: Was signed for depth, found a niche, and is exceeding expectations.

 

[Jannik Hansen]

He makes 850k on a one year contract.

That's bubble boy territory but spin it as you like.

I adore the internet rejection of reality.

The guy who led our defence in plus minus last year and was top 5 in hits in the entire league? The guy leading our defence in plus minus this year and significantly outplaying our 6 million dollar and 7.25 million veterans OEL and Myers? Just admit you haven't paid attention to Schenn in Vancouver at all.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

He makes 850k on a one year contract.

That's bubble boy territory but spin it as you like.

I adore the internet rejection of reality.

I adore condensing comments from people with ass backwards kindergartener logic arguing a hot take.

 

[HolyGhost]

wasnt Schenn on waivers at one point in time last year? His play is the same today as it was then. Hits do not always = wins

The guy who led our defence in plus minus last year and was top 5 in hits in the entire league? The guy leading our defence in plus minus this year and significantly outplaying our 6 million dollar and 7.25 million veterans OEL and Myers? Just admit you haven't paid attention to Schenn in Vancouver at all.

again with the hits--this is not a fantasy league--it is real life. OEL and Myers suck, we all know that. Schenn is still a Clydesdale

 

[ralphamale14]

I adore condensing comments from people with ass backwards kindergartener logic arguing a hot take.

Do good players in their mid 30s land near league minimum contracts with no term?

He's not worth a 2nd just because Vancouver's blueline is... I'll be polite and call it 'thin', he's not even worth a 5th

 

[Jannik Hansen]

wasnt Schenn on waivers at one point in time last year? His play is the same today as it was then. Hits do not always = wins


again with the hits--this is not a fantasy league--it is real life. OEL and Myers suck, we all know that. Schenn is still a Clydesdale

No, he was never on waivers last year. Do you guys pay attention to Vancouver at all?

 

[Slew Footed by Holik]

It's all "eye of the beholder" stuff. Just hope that there's an executive somewhere desperate enough to overpay for the intangibles 'Nucks fans see in him. The fact Vancouver was able to sign him at such a low rate in the first place possibly indicates one of two things (or a combination thereof):

1) He isn't overly valued by other clubs (despite his championship rings)

...and/or...

2) He took a lesser rate to play close to home

With that said...there always seems to be someone willing to cough up assets!

I don't see a 2nd as being out of the question. But it's probably more likely to be a combination of lower picks (3rd+) and/or a lesser prospect. Vancouver would definitely maximize this asset by trading and resigning him if they're that sold on him (and seeing how his salary is easy to digest for cap contenders).

Potential suitors? Two definite contenders with a current need are Carolina and, ironically, Tampa. Winnipeg and Edmonton could also use Luke. IF he gets any say in the matter...going to the Oilers keeps him closer to home, and the Lightning, is obviously a homecoming of sorts.

Carolina owns Philadelphia's 2nd in '24. I'd aim for that. Tampa is short on picks the next three years...so it would probably be a lesser prospect from them and I'm not familiar with their minors system.

And, of course... let's not forget (though I wish I could) Toronto!

 

[ralphamale14]

The guy who led our defence in plus minus last year and was top 5 in hits in the entire league? The guy leading our defence in plus minus this year and significantly outplaying our 6 million dollar and 7.25 million veterans OEL and Myers? Just admit you haven't paid attention to Schenn in Vancouver at all.

I have to explain the difference between OEL, Myers, and Schenn?

Really? Ok... why do Tyler and Oilver have term and Luke doesn't? Because Tyler and Ollie didn't someone significant beyond being really good in juniors.

 

[Jannik Hansen]

I have to explain the difference between OEL, Myers, and Schenn?

Really? Ok... why do Tyler and Oilver have term and Luke doesn't? Because Tyler and Ollie didn't someone significant beyond being really good in juniors.

You have to explain to me how Luke Schenn wasn't an NHL level player last season like you originally asserted. It's a hot take to anyone with working eyeballs.

 

[ralphamale14]

You have to explain to me how Luke Schenn wasn't an NHL level player last season like you originally asserted. It's a hot take to anyone with working eyeballs.

That's so disingenuous

He was on waivers last year = borderline NHLer
He's on a one year deal and his contract can be completely buried in the AHL = borderline NHLer

Should I be a mark for him because he had kinda good month on one of the worst bluelines in the league?

Where is the hot take? He's a 7th or 8th defenseman on a playoff team.

 

[Jannik Hansen]

That's so disingenuous

He was on waivers last year = borderline NHLer
He's on a one year deal and his contract can be completely buried in the AHL = borderline NHLer

Should I be a mark for him because he had kinda good month on one of the worst bluelines in the league?

Where is the hot take? He's a 7th or 8th defenseman on a playoff team.

Huh, you're going to have to point me to when the Canucks waived him. Don't remember that happening, I think you're the one being disingenuous by lying about that. Borderline NHLers don't play 881 games in the NHL.

 

[innitfam]

Numbnuts.... aren't we clever....

He played so well last year he over achieved and got a one way contract.

He's a 7th NHL defenseman on a good team, that's his ceiling.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HIS CONTRACT

Enough copes, address the point I've made like 5 times now but you can't because it definitively cements my position.



Ca

He signed a 2 year deal in 2021. He has more than outplayed that deal.

You don't even know basic information about the topic. Embarrassing.

 

[HolyGhost]

No, he was never on waivers last year. Do you guys pay attention to Vancouver at all?

Schenn TOI vs the other Canucks d-men average ice

Hughes 24:45
OEL 21:58
Myers 20:49
Bear 19:10
Schenn 17:34


my bad--he has been on waivers 5 times in his career--Twice with the Bolts, ducks, Arizona and Flyers. I do find the tire pupping of the guy playing 5th average icetime by canucks D interesting...the Addition of Bear has cut into Schenn's icetime

 

[Maple Leaf]

I remember when this guy was the next Pronger

 

[Canuck Luck]

He makes 850k on a one year contract.

That's bubble boy territory but spin it as you like.

I adore the internet rejection of reality.

1. It was a 2 year contract. He’s on the last year of it.

2. Are we really using salaries to determine player value when the majority of the league is either overpaid or underpaid? Since when do salaries determine the quality of the player?

If you can sign a guy for a lot less you’re not going to go no while you and your agent are willing to accept 850k x 2 we value you at 3M per year so we are going to pay you more.

Fact is schenn In his entire tenure as a canuck has shown he can play 15-20 min a night on our top pairing. He has been given that role for the overwhelming majority of his tenure with the Canucks. He has never been a bubble guy for the Canucks as you can see he’s played in around 100/115 games for us.

But keep assuming things based off salary and term which you can’t even get right LOL

 

[AHLdepth]

It's interesting that you're implying that we are mentally challenged but you say things like "Schenn was rumoured to be on waivers last year". What the heck does that mean? He either was or wasn't.

It's simple really, I could have swore to you up and down that Auston Matthews was waived last year, but shucks, I was wrong. Anyway it was rumored that he was because I have now typed it into existence.

 

[Breakers]

anybody that calls out JT Miller is good in my books

great addition to any team