Value of: Lucic, Sekera, & 10th pick to create cap space?

[Boom Boom Apathy]

When does sekeras contract change ? Either way it’s bad timing to trade both of them at their lowest value tho

I posted this earlier but you may not have seen it.

Lucic's is a full NMC for the next 3 seasons then goes to an 8-10 team (that he can be traded to) NTC/Modified NMC in June 2021.
Sekera's is a full NMC for this coming season, then goes to a 15 team (that he can be traded to) NTC before the following season.

 

[Seanaconda]

I posted this earlier but you may not have seen it.

Lucic's is a full NMC for the next 3 seasons then goes to an 8-10 team (that he can be traded to) NTC/Modified NMC in June 2021.
Sekera's is a full NMC for this coming season, then goes to a 15 team (that he can be traded to) NTC before the following season.

Thank you , since sekera won’t have to be protected for the next expansion I think the oilers should see if he rebounds . If we can offload lucic I might do it because he is annoying to watch but he only had like one goal in the last half of the season. Can’t see his value getting worse

 

[oXo Cube]

Edmonton will give Sekera another year to get it together. He at least was really good prior to the recent injury.

The fans would be willing to send Lucic packing but I'm unconvinced the management would be.

 

[tucker3434]

Nobody takes on that much salary in one trade. You might find a taker for Sekera for something very small. Somebody gambling that he bounces back.

I’d need a lot more than 10th overall to take on Lucic. Way too much term.

 

[Seanaconda]

Edmonton will give Sekera another year to get it together. He at least was really good prior to the recent injury.

The fans would be willing to send Lucic packing but I'm unconvinced the management would be.

Yeah chia won’t give up on lucic when he was his hall replacement .

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lucic and Sekera both have negative value. IF they are willing to waive their NMC, the Oilers would have to package the 10th pick with them to get someone to take those contracts. You are being far too kind to the Oilers here. Even Bergevin wouldn't do the deal you offered. If Patches was going back the Oilers would have to add even more to the 10th pick because Pacioretty is worth at least a first round pick at the trade deadline. And that is without taking bad contracts back.

The idea was to spark the negotiation. I totally understand how much I was offering and it's not an official offer. It's to gauge the interest and to try to make both sides happy

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nobody takes on that much salary in one trade. You might find a taker for Sekera for something very small. Somebody gambling that he bounces back.

I’d need a lot more than 10th overall to take on Lucic. Way too much term.

$11.5M going one way an $7.3M going the other way. It's not impossible. Especially with the cap likely rising $5M this offseason

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Thank you , since sekera won’t have to be protected for the next expansion I think the oilers should see if he rebounds . If we can offload lucic I might do it because he is annoying to watch but he only had like one goal in the last half of the season. Can’t see his value getting worse

Russell’s NMC is similar to Sekera’s FWIW.

I think it’s best for the Oilers to see if Lucic and Sekera bounce back rather than give up a prime asset like 10th overall for a package that would leave us with virtually nothing at the end of the year.

Also 25 games coming back from major surgery is apparently enough to give Sekera ‘negative value’ but Habs fans get upset when I say Pacioretty’s value took a huge hit last year...

 

[Draiskull]

the 10 OA is a steep price to pay to upgrade Lucic into Pacioretty. High 1st dont get used as cap dump.
Lucic+Sekera+1st for Pacioretty+ would be an easy yes from the Oilers but there is 0 chance MTL makes that offer.

Pacioretty and Lucic are same age and Pacio would be commanding a 6M+ contract if he gets back to his old self.

Oilers in a year lose 10 OA for nothing or get Lucic 2.0

 

[Seanaconda]

Russell’s NMC is similar to Sekera’s FWIW.

I think it’s best for the Oilers to see if Lucic and Sekera bounce back rather than give up a prime asset like 10th overall for a package that would leave us with virtually nothing at the end of the year.

Also 25 games coming back from major surgery is apparently enough to give Sekera ‘negative value’ but Habs fans get upset when I say Pacioretty’s value took a huge hit last year...

Montreal fans have always valued patches way too much . I think they are starting to realize they won’t get a young number one center for him now

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Also OP Pakarinen and Slepyshev are both KHL bound, they won’t be getting re-signed. Here’s where I think we stand going into next season.

RNH (6) McDavid (12.5) Rattie (800k)
Grabner (3.5) Drai (8.5) JP (950k or 3.75 depending on bonuses which can carry over)
Lucic (6) Strome (2.5) Aberg (650k)
Caggiula (1.3) Khaira (650k) Kassian (1.8)
Malone (650k) Czarnik (700k)

Klefbom (4.16) Larsson (4.16)
Nurse (4.5) Russell (4)
Sekera (5.5) Benning (1.25)
Sproul (900k)

Talbot (4.16)
Koskinen (2.5)

I think that’s a reasonable-ish projection without trades and that’s 78 mil or so. Lots of flexibility after this season though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montreal fans have always valued patches way too much . I think they are starting to realize they won’t get a young number one center for him now

You must realize that the Habs fan base is huge and our opinions on what we can get for Patch varies. After the trade deadline, I have been looking for the Lucic return (Bruins/Kings trade) as my bench mark in a trade. The trade I offered in this thread is my plan B. Personally, I am willing to be aggressive and take on bad contracts while using Patch and our cap space as leverage

Grouping Habs fans all in one opinion is ridiculous. You must realize this. If you don't, you are only making yourself look bad. Also, The value for Patch is in the middle of most of what you have seen. He does have way more value than most want to admit on these boards though.

 

[Seanaconda]

You must realize that the Habs fan base is huge and our opinions on what we can get for Patch varies. After the trade deadline, I have been looking for the Lucic return (Bruins/Kings trade) as my bench mark in a trade. The trade I offered in this thread is my plan B. Personally, I am willing to be aggressive and take on bad contracts while using Patch and our cap space as leverage

Grouping Habs fans all in one opinion is ridiculous. You must realize this. Also, The value for Patch is in the middle of most of what you have seen.

Fair , other guy said he wouldn’t want the 10th because the habs can trade him for a first at the deadline but that will probably be a at worse pick . Really depends on what Montreal wants to do tho. They are in a Tough spot with price and Weber it’s hard to go rebuild

 

[780il]

They bith have NMC's and I cant see them both waiving for Montreal. They want to win cups, with Mcdavid here for the next 8 years, there is always a chance. Plus that 10th overall needs to and will be used to fix the d.

 

[Baddkarma]

Peter...Chiarelli...

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I think you would have to do something like take a worse player on shorter term and then still retain 50% to move Lucic at this point. Kussell, Sekera, Lucic locked in for at least the next 3-6 is uglyyy.

Martin types for Lucic @50% or something similar is what you're looking at unless a team really loves the guy.

 

[Seanaconda]

Also OP Pakarinen and Slepyshev are both KHL bound, they won’t be getting re-signed. Here’s where I think we stand going into next season.

RNH (6) McDavid (12.5) Rattie (800k)
Grabner (3.5) Drai (8.5) JP (950k or 3.75 depending on bonuses which can carry over)
Lucic (6) Strome (2.5) Aberg (650k)
Caggiula (1.3) Khaira (650k) Kassian (1.8)
Malone (650k) Czarnik (700k)

Klefbom (4.16) Larsson (4.16)
Nurse (4.5) Russell (4)
Sekera (5.5) Benning (1.25)
Sproul (900k)

Talbot (4.16)
Koskinen (2.5)

I think that’s a reasonable-ish projection without trades and that’s 78 mil or so. Lots of flexibility after this season though.

After this season we need to resign or get a new goalie also is nurses hit a guess ? Yamo could make the team too but I doubt he has much bonus money he could make

 

[Seanaconda]

I think you would have to do something like take a worse player on shorter term and then still retain 50% to move Lucic at this point. Kussell, Sekera, Lucic locked in for at least the next 3-6 is uglyyy.

Martin types for Lucic @50% or something similar is what you're looking at unless a team really loves the guy.

Could probably get better than Martin for lucic at 3 million, someone would take the chance he bounces back to 50 points or whatever his average is

 

[ChaoticOrange]

After this season we need to resign or get a new goalie also is nurses hit a guess ? Yamo could make the team too but I doubt he has much bonus money he could make

Nurse, Caggiula, Benning and Strome are all guesses, as are Grabner Czarnik and Sproul as UFA’s.

We do need to sign a goalie after this year but both Talbot and Koskinen are 1 year deals and 6.75 or so between them, that’s plenty for goaltending.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I'd be willing to take Sekara on as a cap dump, interested to see what else could come along with him. Lucic... that's a hard no. In 3-4 years the Canucks are gonna be ready to be competitive, if not sooner, and that contract will continue to be a hindrance for too long.

 

[Seanaconda]

Nurse, Caggiula, Benning and Strome are all guesses, as are Grabner Czarnik and Sproul as UFA’s.

We do need to sign a goalie after this year but both Talbot and Koskinen are 1 year deals and 6.75 or so between them, that’s plenty for goaltending.

I would put in bear before benning or sproul just cuz he is our best option for the pp atm

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Me too. But do the Oilers make this move? Seems fair but wait for it...

If the top 4 non-Dahlin defence men are picked before 10 I would consider it. I would prefer to add to get Gally or Chucky instead though.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Lucic (5 more years at $6M, age 30-34)

Sekera (3 more years at $5.5M, Age 32-34)

What kind of moves do the Oilers want to make and how much cap space to they have?

- Currently 16 players signed with $15M in cap space ($80M cap)

- RFA's to sign: Nurse, Strome, Benning, Slepyshev, Pakarinen, Caggiula. After these guys are signed, it's likely looks like 22 players signed with very little cap space left. Maybe $2M +/- ?

- UFA's: Cammy, Auvito

If a team is willing to absorb the Lucic and Sekera contracts, what kind of package do teams offer the Oilers if they add the 10th pick? This could return a player they can use to build a winner and much needed cap space in the process.

Is this of any interest from the Oilers perspective?

Pakarinen, Auvitu and Slepyshev are heading to Europe, Cagguila, Benning and Strome will be getting little in terms of raises. Nurse is the only RFA who will be getting a significant bump up.

Chiarelli isn't going to trade Lucic after one bad (ie, horrifically awful) season. He's going to give him a chance to rebound before paying someone to take him.

 

[Rorschach]

Even if you could get both guys to waive, dumping Lucic alone will require multiple firsts from Edmonton if you don't take back an almost equally bad contract.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Even if you could get both guys to waive, dumping Lucic alone will require multiple firsts from Edmonton if you don't take back an almost equally bad contract.

Has there ever been a player that cost multiple firsts to unload?