Lucas Raymond Or Matt Boldy?

[DitchMarner]

Which player would you take going forward?

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[tabness]

if Raymond got to play with Kaprizov...

 

[Parax]

if Raymond got to play with Kaprizov...

His most common line is with Larkin and Debrincat this season. Boldy's most common line is Ek and Johansson.

 

[tabness]

His most common line is with Larkin and Debrincat this season. Boldy's most common line is Ek and Johansson.

I defer to Wild fans as you guys would know better, I've only caught like parts of a couple games they were in this season, but looking up the stats half of Boldy's points this year have Kaprizov on them (6 even strength 6 powerplay)

Love Larkin but it's just not the same

 

[Pavels Dog]

Raymond’s certainly tracking ahead, Boldy is a nice player though.

 

[biturbo19]

I'd probably take Boldy. Back with the USNTDP in his draft year, i kind of thought he might turn out to be just a ho hum complementary big forward. But he's proved me wrong and turned into a heck of a play-driver. Raymond is as well, but i think the capability is close enough between the two that i defer to the guy who does it more with size, reach, and puck protection ability, over the guy who does it more with speed and finesse. But that's really just a personal preference thing in this case. I just enjoy Boldy's "style" more tbh. But they're both top line caliber "play driving" wingers, so i can easily see the argument either way.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Both are really good but I just like Matt Boldy too much.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

I defer to Wild fans as you guys would know better, I've only caught like parts of a couple games they were in this season, but looking up the stats half of Boldy's points this year have Kaprizov on them (6 even strength 6 powerplay)

Love Larkin but it's just not the same

Boldy has played with JEE and MarJo at 5v5 primarily until the Zuccarello injury. They loaded up back with the Kap - JEE - Boldy line for a few games but have since switched it again. He’s currently running with JEE and Foligno. Having said that, Hynes switches and double shifts Boldy and Kaprizov as often as he can so Boldy gets plenty of time with Kap as needed depending on the situation.

Boldy is a monster in his own right though, he has absolutely taken off since the all star break last season, he’s been completely dominant at both ends of the ice using his reach, strength and creativity to drive positive possessions every shift. Extremely fun to watch.

 

[Realgud]

Both are really good but I just like Lucas Raymond too much.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Some numbers:

19 year old season
Boldy: NCAA/AHL
Raymond: 0.70pts/GP

20 year old season
Boldy: 0.83pts/GP (47GP)
Raymond: 0.61pts/GP

21 year old season
Boldy: 0.78pts/GP
Raymond: 0.88pts/GP

22 year old season
Boldy: 0.92pts/GP
Raymond: 1.04pts/GP (24GP)

23 year old season
Boldy: 1.00pts/GP (24GP)
Raymond: TBD

 

[newfy]

Boldy is a year older and has gotten to play with Kaprizov the vast majority of the start of this season/last season.

Raymond doesnt have chopped liver for linemates by any means but if he was playing with a guy as good offensively a Kaprizov, I dont think the numbers would be all that close. Hes a year younger and has more points this season already

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Both, but I took Raymond and the results of this poll surprised me.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Boldy is a more complete player

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Boldy is a more complete player

Absolutely not lol, ridiculous take. Raymond is a very complete player. He PKs now too.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

In 25 games this season boldly has 24 points and Raymond has 27. Boldly has more goals though.

Last year Raymond had more goals and more points as well.

Raymond is still a year younger and producing more points, no clue why this poll is so lopsided. I feel like it’s because Minnesota is one of the best teams in the league rn and Detroit sucks, giving a bias to more people watching and seeing boldy. I think if you think boldy is better rn I could understand that but it’s very very close and I think Raymond has higher potential.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Absolutely not lol, ridiculous take. Raymond is a very complete player. He PKs now too.

Boldy has a higher relative xGF% than Raymond (considering the wild are one of the best teams in the league in xGF% while Detroit is one of the worst). This means he has a significantly better raw xGF%.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Absolutely not lol, ridiculous take. Raymond is a very complete player. He PKs now too.

Yep, he's contributing so much on that 63% effective PK.

Boldy has a higher relative xGF% than Raymond (considering the wild are one of the best teams in the league in xGF% while Detroit is one of the worst). This means he has a significantly better raw xGF%.

Eye test wise is Boldy actually good defensively? Defensive play is still a weak point in Raymond's game IMO.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Yep, he's contributing so much on that 63% effective PK.



Eye test wise is Boldy actually good defensively? Defensive play is still a weak point in Raymond's game IMO.

He has nothing to do with the PK being bad lol don’t cherry pick stats. I’m just saying he’s defensively responsible enough to have coaches being fine with putting him on the PK.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

I truthfully don’t watch a lot of Raymond but know he’s a stud. Boldy is so impressive everytime he plays the flyers, I’m always like man, I wish that guy was on my team, voted Boldy but this is razer thin.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Yep, he's contributing so much on that 63% effective PK.



Eye test wise is Boldy actually good defensively? Defensive play is still a weak point in Raymond's game IMO.

Boldy isn't Stone, Reinhart, or even prime Schwartz level of defensive play, but is still strong imho. He forechecks and backchecks well, has good positioning, and isn't soft nor lazy.

In 25 games this season boldly has 24 points and Raymond has 27. Boldly has more goals though.

Last year Raymond had more goals and more points as well.

Raymond is still a year younger and producing more points, no clue why this poll is so lopsided. I feel like it’s because Minnesota is one of the best teams in the league rn and Detroit sucks, giving a bias to more people watching and seeing boldy. I think if you think boldy is better rn I could understand that but it’s very very close and I think Raymond has higher potential.

I do agree Raymond has more potential.