Lucas Raymond, 19 years old, 22 points in 24 games

[Varan]

Hard to tell at this stage of his career (can you even call it a career?) as we don't know the type of player he is. An 82-game NHL season will wear down anyone, especially rookies who are not familiar with this environment, so I'll say it will. Definitely his shooting %.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Will not be at all surprised if he slows down a bit (82 games against the best athletes in the world is a grind no matter where you came from), but I don't think this play is anything like a mirage or something he won't be able to replicate next year.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Olympic hockey might get cancelled anyway

I honestly think it will be, and if not, the NHL will back out anyways . They have until Jan. 10 tho decide. With this new variant, and the fact Covid seems to be on the rise again I just don't see the players really wanting to go. That, plus with all of the cancelled games already and more sure to come, the league wont be able to safely fit them in with the league wife shut down for three weeks. Thats just one mans opinion keep in mind.

 

[Dotter]

For those saying if Larkin or Bert get injured, Razor's numbers will go down. Probably true, but when Raymond got mixed up with the Zadina and Suter (I think) line, he single-handedly made that line look more lethal than it's ever been before. Nothing against Fabbri, but Raymond pushed it to another level.

I think Raymond is a line driver and can make any line flourish.

As for pace, I expected him too cool down weeks ago. He just hasn't yet. At some point he's got too! Does he think he's a Kane or Marner level player? No way can he continue at this pace...

 

[T REX]

He looks good.

Another Yzergem

 

[Atas2000]

He is probably no Ovechkin, but a talented rookie on a bad team where he gets preferential treatment right away. Why would not he be able to have a great rookie season? He won't keep up with the pace he set probably, but he can still finish the season as the Wings best player easily.

 

[newfy]

Hes never played anything close to 82 games in a season before, so i'd expect fatigue to catch up with him at some point this rookie season. He's going to get better and better, though...he is very impressive. At some point id expect this team to have a decent PP. When that happens - and Raymond will probably be a major reason why - id expect another jump in his production. Can definitely be a PPG+ player in this league. His talent and hockey IQ are awesome, and his shot is lethal. He lacks size but thats about the only thing he lacks.

I said it earlier but his draft -1 season he played 76 games and kept going just fine

 

[Sabre the Win]

Ranger fans looking at the title of this thread nervously. Lafreniere where ya at? Scoring goals not seen since Crosby was in the Q.. the "generational" tag being thrown around and here is a 4th overall pick drafted last year playing at a PPG.. Byfield hasn't even made the NHL yet and Stutzle started promising, still got 8 points on the season more than Lafreniere.

"The Bluest Blue Chip" - Bern

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Ranger fans looking at the title of this thread nervously. Lafreniere where ya at? Scoring goals not seen since Crosby was in the Q.. the "generational" tag being thrown around and here is a 4th overall pick drafted last year playing at a PPG.. Byfield hasn't even made the NHL yet and Stutzle started promising, still got 8 points on the season more than Lafreniere.

"The Bluest Blue Chip" - Bern

How about you stop f***ing inserting our players into threads that have nothing to do with them? We live rent free in your head and the head of your owner. Your team spited itself to not trade with us. That says it all.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I honestly think it will be, and if not, the NHL will back out anyways . They have until Jan. 10 tho decide. With this new variant, and the fact Covid seems to be on the rise again I just don't see the players really wanting to go. That, plus with all of the cancelled games already and more sure to come, the league wont be able to safely fit them in with the league wife shut down for three weeks. Thats just one mans opinion keep in mind.

Not to de-rail the thread from Raymond, but if they cut off the Olympics for yet another variant, we're never getting this shit done. There will always be another variant. When there's not, there will be another illness.

I actually think if it didn't go off, it'd be more because of how shady the Chinese government is. But that's another story for a different forum, so I'll make like Lebron and remain silent on the issue.

How about you stop f***ing inserting our players into threads that have nothing to do with them? We live rent free in your head and the head of your owner. Your team spited itself to not trade with us. That says it all.

I mean, he's hardly the first one to bring up Laf in this thread... Like, a page earlier a guy named, "AlexisLafreniereNYR", brought up the same exact thing.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

just pray that one day you guys lose a draft lottery like the wings.

Honestly I’d prefer losing the lottery I still love Laffy though, he’s going to be a good one.

 

[ricky0034]

How about you stop f***ing inserting our players into threads that have nothing to do with them? We live rent free in your head and the head of your owner. Your team spited itself to not trade with us. That says it all.

kinda reminds me of Tom Wilson and the Rangers

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

kinda reminds me of Tom Wilson and the Rangers

Better to not speak on topics you are ignorant about.

 

[Pavels Dog]

He is probably no Ovechkin, but a talented rookie on a bad team where he gets preferential treatment right away. Why would not he be able to have a great rookie season? He won't keep up with the pace he set probably, but he can still finish the season as the Wings best player easily.

"preferential treatment" and "Wings best player easily" are contradictory statements though.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Honestly I’d prefer losing the lottery I still love Laffy though, he’s going to be a good one.

Good bottom 6-er with some nice fighting skills albeit

 

[Atas2000]

"preferential treatment" and "Wings best player easily" are contradictory statements though.

How?

 

[Pavels Dog]

How?

Preferential treatment indicates he's getting some kind of opportunity he doesn't deserve. If he's the team's best player, why wouldn't he be on the top line and top PP?

 

[yzerman]

Detroit has getting their own Daniel Alfredsson

 

[Atas2000]

Preferential treatment indicates he's getting some kind of opportunity he doesn't deserve. If he's the team's best player, why wouldn't he be on the top line and top PP?

You've got the definition wrong. If you don't trust me, then here:

Preferential treatment definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

There is no word about deserve. Preferential treatment means you get treated better than others. Deserved or undeserved. Best players get the preferential treatment. They get better linemates, they get more PP time and so on. Because they are best players.

 

[ijuka]

You've got the definition wrong. If you don't trust me, then here:

Preferential treatment definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

There is no word about deserve. Preferential treatment means you get treated better than others. Deserved or undeserved. Best players get the preferential treatment. They get better linemates, they get more PP time and so on. Because they are best players.

Best players playing more is not preferential treatment. Best players play more because that makes the team win more.

If the better the player is the more they play, that's not preferential treatment, that's equal treatment. It's like you're saying that a more productive worker getting paid more is preferential treatment. It's not, it's fair treatment.

 

[Atas2000]

Best players playing more is not preferential treatment. Best players play more because that makes the team win more.

How about some logic? Best players get preferential treatment because theat makes the team win more. Your first sentence contradicts the second one. Preferential treatment is not a baaad-baaad thing. Maybe somewhere, somehow, they twisted those ideas in your head. Then get them straight. People are not the same. Some are faster then others, some are stronger than others, some are smarter than others. The idea of sports is competition and not equal treatment regardless of capabilities. Some modern day ideologists might have turned the reality inside out, but IRL it is what it is.

If the better the player is the more they play, that's not preferential treatment, that's equal treatment.

Yeah, and "ignorance is strength". Are you even serious? You don't see a contradiction in the bolded?

It's like you're saying that a more productive worker getting paid more is preferential treatment. It's not, it's fair treatment.

See? You get caught in ideology. Fair has nothing to do with it. In now way by the way. The salaries are not "fair", they are the result of negotiations, market values and a thousand other factors. They sure aren't fair, Some players get more than they are worth, some less, but that's okay. That's how it works. Everywhere. A more productive worker getting paid more is preferential treatment, but only in terms of reward. They could get preferential treatment in other shapes and forms. That's what you don't understand. Preferential treatment is NOT a value judgement of the actions of the one who gives out preferential treatment.

Again, look up the definition I posted. Do you see there any word about fair treatment or any mention of being sibject to preferential treatment based on subjective factors? Preferential treatment means you are treated better than others. And that's it. It does not say WHY. The why is a completely different discussion.

In our case here one might say that Raymond being the leading scorer on the team getting preferential treatment is based on merit and is thus deserved.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He is crushing is draft mates right now though no question. Laf and Stutzle must be sweating watching him...

Who was the best kid from that great 2010 draft in D+1 year and how good is he now?

 

[Pavels Dog]

You've got the definition wrong. If you don't trust me, then here:

Preferential treatment definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

There is no word about deserve. Preferential treatment means you get treated better than others. Deserved or undeserved. Best players get the preferential treatment. They get better linemates, they get more PP time and so on. Because they are best players.

You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

If you get preferential treatment, you are treated better than other people and therefore have an advantage over them

What you're talking about isn't preferential treatment at all.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Who was the best kid from that great 2010 draft in D+1 year and how good is he now?

*d+2
From 2010, that was Tyler Seguin, who still leads that draft class in points.

 

[Kshahdoo]

*d+2
From 2010, that was Tyler Seguin, who still leads that draft class in points.

Nah Jeff Skinner at eliteprospects.com